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Lions of Sabi Sands

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(02-18-2022, 09:48 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:02 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Of the three Kambula Lioness mothers of cubs,,,,two have now been seen mating with N’waswishaka.  

These 2 on latest MalaMala video had cubs? :


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No this is #6 and #4. Not mothers. #2 and #3 have the cubs.
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(02-18-2022, 11:14 PM)afortich Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:48 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:02 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Of the three Kambula Lioness mothers of cubs,,,,two have now been seen mating with N’waswishaka.  

These 2 on latest MalaMala video had cubs? :


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Are the Ndhzenga males also called the N’waswishaka males??

Yes
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(02-18-2022, 11:15 PM)Slayerd Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:48 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:02 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Of the three Kambula Lioness mothers of cubs,,,,two have now been seen mating with N’waswishaka.  

These 2 on latest MalaMala video had cubs? :


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No this is #6 and #4. Not mothers. #2 and #3 have the cubs.

This is the problem. No. #2 kambula lioness sire #6 boy, #3 sires #1 blah blah blah.... 
This no. system do not sound very exciting to me plus it's confusing also. 
Anyway, the crux of the above comments I am getting is now atleast 4 kambulas girls are with 3/4 nwaswitshakas. The remaining one might be lost somewhere/ may join the party in some time and cubs must be gone by now .With this, it is safe to say that these 4 N'shakas are controlling both sabi sabi and londolozy. 

Once a territory of mapogo, Majinglanis, bboys now passes to nwaswitshakas. EXCELLENT!!!! 

From past two videos, it's seems like nomad life of kambula boys has started plus kamula breakaway has 6 young girls and one adult lioness. 

GOOD TIME of Nhenha has start. Basically he is sailing in the same boat with MORANI & JESSE of massai mara ( old age, nomad life, seeking a possible coalition with own son/ nephew)
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Talamatis on Simbambilli today 
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The N'was probably now control Most of Mala mala, Umkumbe, Nottens, Sabi Sabi and Lion Sands. 
Londolozi is a bit of a stretch as that area is more a nomands land between the Avocas and Nym.

Gore doesnt seem to be interested in the Kambulas. I think his wound makes him uncomfortable with taking unnecisarry risks. So will likely stay around Sabi Sabi. 

Nhenha is a single aging male lion in a area that has no place currently for one. He may end up repeating the final year of HB Matimba.
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(02-18-2022, 11:52 PM)DARK MANE Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 11:15 PM)Slayerd Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:48 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:02 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Of the three Kambula Lioness mothers of cubs,,,,two have now been seen mating with N’waswishaka.  

These 2 on latest MalaMala video had cubs? :


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No this is #6 and #4. Not mothers. #2 and #3 have the cubs.

This is the problem. No. #2 kambula lioness sire #6 boy, #3 sires #1 blah blah blah.... 
This no. system do not sound very exciting to me plus it's confusing also. 
Anyway, the crux of the above comments I am getting is now atleast 4 kambulas girls are with 3/4 nwaswitshakas. The remaining one might be lost somewhere/ may join the party in some time and cubs must be gone by now .With this, it is safe to say that these 4 N'shakas are controlling both sabi sabi and londolozy. 

Once a territory of mapogo, Majinglanis, bboys now passes to nwaswitshakas. EXCELLENT!!!! 

From past two videos, it's seems like nomad life of kambula boys has started plus kamula breakaway has 6 young girls and one adult lioness. 

GOOD TIME of Nhenha has start. Basically he is sailing in the same boat with MORANI & JESSE of massai mara ( old age, nomad life, seeking a possible coalition with own son/ nephew)
How is it wierd when thats a reality. #2 and #3 are the mothers of the 4 cubs. These pictures are not them but people will blindfully spread that they are and others will blindfully like the post. They might be numbers but that's because not all are blessed with names. No, just because they are mating with some of them, it does not mean they control the Kambula Pride. Otherwise we can say that for a lot of lions.
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Lion behaviour is far more complex than males controlling a pride. Otherwise you may just as easily argue that its the other way around.
Its more of a co dependency. 

Regardless. With the BBoys gone and the N'was spending more and more time in Mala Mala and the pride seemingly accepting them as the new guard. Its hard to think of alternative futures without them.
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(02-19-2022, 01:06 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Nhenha is a single aging male lion in a area that has no place currently for one. He may end up repeating the final year of HB Matimba.

Except Nhenha is 11 yrs old, while HB was 14, big difference, althrough old/nomadic males dont last long, Nhenha is still at his almost peak condition so i can see him having few more years, especially if he links up with Nkuhuma male who would help a lot in hunt.
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Brilliant news, seeing the nkhuma male and nhenha together, perfect timing for them. Hopefully they stick together
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Peak condition while being pampered by a pride is no guarantee of peak condition while suddenly thrown into lone nomad hood.
If age has caught up to him. We will soon see the first cracks appear. 

Ultimately, his biggest issue is that he has no real place to go. Pretty much all of the prides are currently living in the shadow of a bigger coalition. Even the Othawas, which normally are perfect for weaker coalitions are currently not available. 

As for his meeting with Nym.
We saw these sorts of pair ups before. Nothing usually comes from it.
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(02-18-2022, 09:48 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:02 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Of the three Kambula Lioness mothers of cubs,,,,two have now been seen mating with N’waswishaka.  

These 2 on latest MalaMala video had cubs? :


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No,  these in the pics are K6 (infertile and largest) and K4.   These Two have been mating for weeks.   But in this same video, K1 (mother of the 4 youngest cubs which were all lost) has joined them.   Then about a week ago, Legend Safaris shared a story which  sighted Kambula 5 who is the mother of the two youngest Subs mating as well.  Could have been fake mating to distract the N’waswishaka.  


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In reviewing my notes, I think K2 (mother to 1/4 remaining cubs) also has not yet mated so that’s a correction.   K3 (mother of 3/4 remaining and the eldest cubs) also has not.  

4/6 lionesses (those known to not have cubs ) have been sighted mating at one time or another.
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(02-19-2022, 02:56 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Peak condition while being pampered by a pride is no guarantee of peak condition while suddenly thrown into lone nomad hood.
If age has caught up to him. We will soon see the first cracks appear. 

Ultimately, his biggest issue is that he has no real place to go. Pretty much all of the prides are currently living in the shadow of a bigger coalition. Even the Othawas, which normally are perfect for weaker coalitions are currently not available. 

As for his meeting with Nym.
We saw these sorts of pair ups before. Nothing usually comes from it.

Ofc if he stays alone, life will be tought for him, but if he links with Nkuhuma, Mhangenis
are without pride males,  i dont see why they couldn't take them, ofc they would prob need to compete with PC males for Singita, but 2 vs 2 is best odds they can find atm.
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The problem with that is that Nym is doing well on his own. He is getting mating and food he wants and as long he sticks with the Mhangeni his position is only going to improve.
If he doesn't see himself as a territorial male already, he at least is not going to be happy about having someone to share his spoils with when he feels he has no need for him.


While for the Mhangeni, they are still with a cub and likely will be for a year or so.
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(02-19-2022, 03:15 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: The problem with that is that Nym is doing well on his own. He is getting mating and food he wants and as long he sticks with the Mhangeni his position is only going to improve.
If he doesn't see himself as a territorial male already, he at least is not going to be happy about having someone to share his spoils with when he feels he has no need for him.

Disagree, you are pointing out that Nkuhuma is better on his own then with any partner? Thats is just wrong. 

Is he doing great? He was almost killed month or so ago, bad mauling wounds on his back legs, possible from PC boys or even Mhangenis if he came to close. 

What spoils? He needs to hunt for himself, he prob needs to forfeit any kills he make when encounters any other prides or males in the area, with big, black maned partner around that wouldn't be the case.. And for mating, he was seen only few times with only 1 Mhangeni female and thats it, and that was also while ago, rest of the pride clearly doesn't want him and prob attacks/chase him when he gets too close. 

He is no way better alone then with partner, and that doesnt go only for him, yet for any male, nomadic or territorial, lion world is all about numbers.
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Its not a numbers game as in building the biggest coalition to win. But rather maximising the amount of meat and mates a lion gets without sacrificing on safety.

There is no point in joining forces with a much stronger lion as it means from that point on, it would just be that lion chasing you away from food or mates. While a weak coalition parker would be of little use for the stronger male. And just consume meat that he could have had himself.

The chances of forming an coalition are therefor much higher when both are roughly equal. Unless there is an prexisting bond.


Nym has been in the same spot for roughly a year now. So clearly he is feeling confident in calling it home. Which wouldnt be the case if he was constantly seriously attacked.
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