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(01-15-2021, 08:53 PM)Gijima Wrote: This was a couple of weeks ago in Djuma. Looks like he’s been around for a while now but don’t have any good quality pictures. He’s alone for sure though.
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Yea we need to wait for more quality pictures, so we can maybe see who this male is..
I started following these forums after learning about the Mapogos. Undoubtedly some of the most interesting things about lions are the conflicts between coalitions and prides. But it feels like there have been a lull in outright hostilities in the Sabi Sands of late and any takeovers in the past two or three years have been largely bloodless. I think the last conflict between coalitions were the fights between the South Avocas and the Tsalala males. Have there been any other known fights which were more recent than that?
01-16-2021, 02:07 AM( This post was last modified: 01-16-2021, 02:08 AM by Tr1x24 )
(01-16-2021, 01:00 AM)sundarbans Wrote: I started following these forums after learning about the Mapogos. Undoubtedly some of the most interesting things about lions are the conflicts between coalitions and prides. But it feels like there have been a lull in outright hostilities in the Sabi Sands of late and any takeovers in the past two or three years have been largely bloodless. I think the last conflict between coalitions were the fights between the South Avocas and the Tsalala males. Have there been any other known fights which were more recent than that?
Well, with 3 Majingilanes dying of in early 2018, a big portion of Sabi Sands was empty for other coalitions to grab it freely, without a fight.. Bboys moved south and take central SS, leaving north open, which was filled by N. Avocas, S. Matimbas took free lands in western sector, and OM took free Mhangeni pride.. Only in the south, as you mentioned, S. Avocas and Tsalala's have competing against each others..
So all that big shift in 2018 happened without bloodbath, because demise of Majingilanes open big, free territories..
After that big of a shift, next few years are pretty stable, because all those coalitions have new prides and are spending time mating and sireing offspring with them, unless some big coalition from outside enters the area, which was in late 2019 with N'ws, but they also found empty area down south with few lioness, so they didn't have the need to attack other coalitions, for now.. So because of that there was no clashes in recent years..
Now, after around 3 years of stability, we are again on a brink of a new shift and potential clashes in future, with some coalitions getting old (Matimbas, Bboys) and others who might try to shift/expand their territory soon (N. Avocas, N'ws), theres always a possibility of new, young, nomadic males coming in, or are already here.
It already happened in western sector, that was the first takeover in Sabi Sands since that big shift in 2018 and i expect it more thru 2021 and especially 2022 where i expect major changes in lion dynamics in Sabi Sands..
(01-16-2021, 01:00 AM)sundarbans Wrote: I started following these forums after learning about the Mapogos. Undoubtedly some of the most interesting things about lions are the conflicts between coalitions and prides. But it feels like there have been a lull in outright hostilities in the Sabi Sands of late and any takeovers in the past two or three years have been largely bloodless. I think the last conflict between coalitions were the fights between the South Avocas and the Tsalala males. Have there been any other known fights which were more recent than that?
Yeah, the last 2 years were peacefull. There was some fight recently in Lion Sands Between 2 of the N'was and other 2 unknown males (most likely remaining 2 De Laporte males) and there was quite a lot encounters between different prides.
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The Ntsevu pride is still splitting, with the sub-adults going one way with one or two adults, and the other big females being found in a different part of the reserve. Recently however, we have seen one sub-adult female with the split of four adults, and can’t shake the feeling that a couple of the younger lions might not end up splitting altogether.
01-17-2021, 04:06 AM( This post was last modified: 01-17-2021, 04:08 AM by Gijima )
Mala Mala Report- Dec 2020
** nothing really noteworthy expect this:
THE ‘SOUTHERN’ AVOCA MALES = 2
2 ADULT MALES
SOUTHERN CHARLESTON
DOMINANT OVER THE EYREFIELD PRIDE (2 sightings)
± 7 YEARS 10 MONTHS
Like last month we only saw these two males twice. The first sighting was on Toulon at Sandy Crossing where both males were together on the 2nd. The other sighting of the two males was on the 9th when they were near Charleston Koppies. Judging from tracks in the area it appears they'd been seeking out and had possibly chased the four young Ndhzenga males. We suspect this was the case as we found tracks of four Ndhzenga males going west, west of the two Southern Avoca males.
(01-16-2021, 01:00 AM)sundarbans Wrote: I started following these forums after learning about the Mapogos. Undoubtedly some of the most interesting things about lions are the conflicts between coalitions and prides. But it feels like there have been a lull in outright hostilities in the Sabi Sands of late and any takeovers in the past two or three years have been largely bloodless. I think the last conflict between coalitions were the fights between the South Avocas and the Tsalala males. Have there been any other known fights which were more recent than that?
Apart from chasing, not really. Conflicts are not always bloody. Chasing back and forth happens alot or pushing other males without bloodshed. The Bboys have chased alot of lions over the last 3 or 4 years. From the Matshipiri and Southern Avoca to the N'waswitshaka. There was also a mauling of a young male last year in Mala Mala suspected to be the doing of the Bboys. Tinyo Birmingham also injured a Plains Camp Young Male last year. The N'waswitshaka had their own scrap as well with the the Deleporte Coalition. There have been many pride conflicts over the years mostly by the Kambula Pride. They have killed the Tsalala, Sparta, Styx and beat up Pretty Girl Tsalala and a Mangheni lioness and would have killed them if not for the interference of the Bboys. The Othawa also had a conflict with the Mangheni and the Styx prides.
There's more to this photograph of the sub-adult Othawa male than what first meets the eye!
In the recent weeks we have been captivated by the everchanging dynamics of the Othawa pride as the Tumbela males continue to cement their relationship with the Othawa females.
The new romance has forced the three young Othawa sub adult males to split from their pride. Initially the trio stayed together, however, the newly formed coalition did not last long and the trio have seemed to split again leaving the older sub adult male to fend alone. Currently, he is enjoying his bachelorhood traversing the banks of the Sand River downstream from the Dulini River Lodge where this photograph was taken, shortly after having a run-in with the Shangwa male leopard. Fortunately Shangwa lives to see another day, having leapt to refuge in the branches of a nearby Marula tree.
