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(10-14-2022, 01:47 PM)lionuk Wrote: So happy to see Ncile is being accepted by the females again. They are allowing him to be close to them.
Credit: Vestment Mfumo Machavi
(10-14-2022, 01:47 PM)lionuk Wrote: So happy to see Ncile is being accepted by the females again. They are allowing him to be close to them.
Credit: Vestment Mfumo Machavi
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This is HUGE!!! I’m delighted to see!
His face changed a lot since incident.Hope he regains his confidence.
10-17-2022, 08:59 PM( This post was last modified: 10-17-2022, 09:06 PM by criollo2mil )
Red Road accompanying his Nharu Pride is featured on the Next Tintswalo Safari Video.
His limp is vastly improved and you can see how much his boys have grown. The four Boys would make a great coalition to carry on the Red Road Legacy to other lands.
10-17-2022, 11:16 PM( This post was last modified: 10-17-2022, 11:16 PM by Mdz123 )
(10-17-2022, 08:59 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Red Road accompanying his Nharu Pride is featured on the Next Tintswalo Safari Video.
His limp is vastly improved and you can see how much his boys have grown. The four Boys would make a great coalition to carry on the Red Road Legacy to other lands.
Not only that they are also continuing the legacy of the Avoca/Giraffe, who have the strongest bloodline in Kruger, 5 Avocas, Xikukutsus, 4/7 Birmingham breakways, 1/2 Mongawane, etc. Only Matimbas can match their bloodline strength
10-17-2022, 11:56 PM( This post was last modified: 10-17-2022, 11:57 PM by criollo2mil )
(10-17-2022, 11:16 PM)Mdz123 Wrote:
(10-17-2022, 08:59 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Red Road accompanying his Nharu Pride is featured on the Next Tintswalo Safari Video.
His limp is vastly improved and you can see how much his boys have grown. The four Boys would make a great coalition to carry on the Red Road Legacy to other lands.
Not only that they are also continuing the legacy of the Avoca/Giraffe, who have the strongest bloodline in Kruger, 5 Avocas, Xikukutsus, 4/7 Birmingham breakways, 1/2 Mongawane, etc. Only Matimbas can match their bloodline strength
I’m not one that accepts the opinion that Red Road is son of Avoca/Girrafes. I’ve seen enough evidence that I believe he’s son of the Skorro prior to the Thanda Impi union. I know it’s a long debate, and until the evidence was laid out for me (w dates), I had also believed him to be from old Avoca/Girrafe, but not any more.
(10-17-2022, 11:16 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Not only that they are also continuing the legacy of the Avoca/Giraffe, who have the strongest bloodline in Kruger, 5 Avocas, Xikukutsus, 4/7 Birmingham breakways, 1/2 Mongawane, etc. Only Matimbas can match their bloodline strength
Its not clear who sired RRM, Avoca/Giraffes or Skorro brothers.
(10-17-2022, 11:16 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Not only that they are also continuing the legacy of the Avoca/Giraffe, who have the strongest bloodline in Kruger, 5 Avocas, Xikukutsus, 4/7 Birmingham breakways, 1/2 Mongawane, etc. Only Matimbas can match their bloodline strength
Also xikukutsu are Ross male sons, 3/7 ( including the oldest thathat is not in good shape) are old avoca/ giraffe male sons, as far as know, the older mongwane ( limping one) is sired by BDM and younger moangwane is sired by trilogy males ( father of Hercules male).
10-18-2022, 12:44 AM( This post was last modified: 10-18-2022, 12:54 AM by criollo2mil )
(10-18-2022, 12:05 AM)DARK MANE Wrote:
(10-17-2022, 11:16 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Not only that they are also continuing the legacy of the Avoca/Giraffe, who have the strongest bloodline in Kruger, 5 Avocas, Xikukutsus, 4/7 Birmingham breakways, 1/2 Mongawane, etc. Only Matimbas can match their bloodline strength
Also xikukutsu are Ross male sons, 3/7 ( including the oldest thathat is not in good shape) are old avoca/ giraffe male sons, as far as know, the older mongwane ( limping one) is sired by BDM and younger moangwane is sired by trilogy males ( father of Hercules male).
I think you have the names a bit mixed up. Mongawane Males are Birmingham Male (aka Osindile) sired by Old Avoca/Girrafe and Torchwood Male sired by Birminghams
There is still dispute as to how many of the 7 Birmingham Breakaways were actually sired by Od Avoca/Girrafe vs The Ross. I have asked many and there isn’t a consensus or definitive evidence. At LEAST three is a safe statement but there could be more.
Xikukutzu are also in dispute. I’ve seen sone say Ross. Some say Trilogy. No consensus that I know of.
The limping male sired by the BDM is Monwana Male now in coalition w Girrafe YM and yes sired by Trilogy
(10-18-2022, 12:05 AM)DARK MANE Wrote: Also xikukutsu are Ross male sons
(10-18-2022, 12:44 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: Xikukutzu are also in dispute. I’ve seen sone say Ross. Some say Trilogy. No consensus that I know of.
Xikukutsu are 100% sired by Avoca/Giraffes, they are copy paste of 2 males , pictures of comparison where posted here before.
Here as a follow up to my post I will share a re-post from the Timbavati Group. As you will see from the text. It remains disputed.
“Throwback...
Repost: Aruna Pavithran June 2021
"One of the current Shindzela guides was asked who the father of the Xikukutsu (Avoca) males was? He was not there at the time, but replied that he thought it was the Ross males. This has been confirmed by Ziggi Hugo. Anyway I did a check of the photographs from Shindzela around the time they were conceived - they were born in December 2015, take away 3 months gestation period to September 2015 - I found there were no shots of the Ross males with the Avoca pride in September. There is on the other hand photographs of the white faced Giraffe male with two of the Avoca females. In fact, he was there on his own until October 2015 when he was mauled by the Ross males. It should be noted that the Ross males were photographed at Shindzela in September, but not with the Avoca pride, so too were the Trilogy males."
