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Lions of Manyeleti
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 (12-02-2024, 02:29 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(12-02-2024, 02:19 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Thank you, my friend, for clarifying! Wasn't he being referred to as the "Skorro Orpen Male" for some time, or was that the Skorro male in SS? If the SS male, I had thought for the longest time that all of the Skorro cubs to the Orpens were killed when Hercules and Sumatra took over the pride. Thank you, very much, this was truly helpful, in clarifying my own confusion!  (12-01-2024, 10:46 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(12-01-2024, 10:23 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(12-01-2024, 09:05 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Tintswalo giving us the background of the young Orpen Male. I did not know he could be the last of the Koppies pride, basically one of those cubs that last female took off with, after that big fight with the Mbiri Pride. I always thought he was one of the cubs from the Skorro Pride. Poor Matt. He is a new very young guide. I applaud him for trying to take notes and learn these histories but he got almost everything wrong in this video. His explanation of The Young Mbiri make son of Orpen sounded like he got mixed up with Skorro YM son of Orpen. His details on the Nkuhuma Pride and Junior were also all over the place. I have messaged him privately and offered to help clarify many of his incorrect details but I dint want to press too hard. If he takes me up in my offer, I will try and bring him up to date with what I know. I’m not perfect but van get the general history right (12-02-2024, 06:01 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:(12-01-2024, 10:46 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(12-01-2024, 10:23 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(12-01-2024, 09:05 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Tintswalo giving us the background of the young Orpen Male. I did not know he could be the last of the Koppies pride, basically one of those cubs that last female took off with, after that big fight with the Mbiri Pride. I always thought he was one of the cubs from the Skorro Pride. You can sense his unease, just in his delivery. But, at least, as you mention, he is trying, and I really do appreciate that. He had his notes, and all, spent some serious time researching, but just as we had the same confusion here, given they both have been called by very similar names, I see how it could happen. I do hope he takes you up on your offer, as being the sincere offer to help that it is, and isn't embarrassed by it, because he clearly put a lot of effort in. 
Yeah, Mandevu is the older half-brother/cousin of the Orpen son.
Both sons of the Matimba daughters in the Mbiri pride. Tintswalos probably considered the Orpen cubs to be fellow pride members, seeing them with their mother/aunt, so they didn't kill them.
By Vestment, the entire Mbiri pride together.
Orpen son and his younger half-brother:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Tintswalo subadult son, I hope this guy is Ncile's son, cuz the cub and him are likely the only possible legacy left for Ncile, while Mandevu still can sire new cubs:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Mandevu:  *This image is copyright of its original author Orpen son with Mandevu in the background:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Edit: it'd be a dream if the subadult ends up becoming mature enough to join his brother and father, this way they'd be 3 and in the future, when Mandevu ages, Orpen would still have someone close to him in age, to keep competing.
Red Road has a new generation of cubs. Mother is 1/3 Original Nharus, born in the 2010 litters and sisters of the Birminghams. She has to be around 14 years old but we’ve seen that Birmingham Lionesses have an above average life span,,,,White Dot herself is 18 and still looks strong.
 (12-02-2024, 11:58 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Red Road has a new generation of cubs. Mother is 1/3 Original Nharus, born in the 2010 litters and sisters of the Birminghams. She has to be around 14 years old but we’ve seen that Birmingham Lionesses have an above average life span,,,,White Dot herself is 18 and still looks strong. So these little puff balls are cousins of some Mangheni Kambulas Tsalala Nkuhuma Styx Torchwood Lionesses And Kambula Torchwood Nkuhuma Males I hope I havent miss any cousins from their mother's side ( not even counting the other Nharu lionesses and even Birmingham) (12-03-2024, 12:11 AM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(12-02-2024, 11:58 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Red Road has a new generation of cubs. Mother is 1/3 Original Nharus, born in the 2010 litters and sisters of the Birminghams. She has to be around 14 years old but we’ve seen that Birmingham Lionesses have an above average life span,,,,White Dot herself is 18 and still looks strong. Add Tumbela (son of these females) and as such Othowas, also Mongawane Birmingham Male (brother to RRM), and as such his cubs in Skorro Pride And so on and so on. Many many connections indeed. 
The Birmingham Pride has to be the greatest pride of all time I mean their genes are everywhere! And in almost every pride in manyleti timbavti and sabi sands + Kruger
(12-03-2024, 12:54 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: The Birmingham Pride has to be the greatest pride of all time I mean their genes are everywhere! And in almost every pride in manyleti timbavti and sabi sands + Kruger I cant think of a close second It also helps alot that they get a strong coalition after strong coalition, but its overwhelming the sheer number of lions roaming the reserve with their blood, from Timbavati to south Kruger they are everywhere , could it be due to genetics? Luck? Maybe everything mixed together makes this pride unmatched I know that this is Manyeleti thread but right now theres not a single Lion there that doesnt have their blood. (12-03-2024, 02:40 AM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(12-03-2024, 12:54 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: The Birmingham Pride has to be the greatest pride of all time I mean their genes are everywhere! And in almost every pride in manyleti timbavti and sabi sands + Kruger A close second would be either the avoca/giraffe males + their younger brother but I’d say the west street males their bloodline is in every pride in sabi sands I believe except for nkuhuma and talamati/ msuthu But I’d have to give the edge to the Birmingham Pride females they’ve been incredible! Not to mention the very old white dot I believe she is a sister of the matimbas and still alive I’m not 100% sure but I’ve heard of her she was at least 18 years old a true legend  (12-03-2024, 02:40 AM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(12-03-2024, 12:54 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: The Birmingham Pride has to be the greatest pride of all time I mean their genes are everywhere! And in almost every pride in manyleti timbavti and sabi sands + Kruger Giraffe Pride is prolly second out of the prides closest to Birmingham Pride. Obviously raised the Avoca / Giraffe coalition, who then raised offspring in Birmingham Pride themselves and Avoca Pride, Avoca Pride also being a breakaway of Giraffe Pride too. If we looking at other regions, Botswana Marsh Pride are definitely up there too.
So can anyone tell se the full story of the avoca giraffe males and their younger brother… so they are all from the giraffe pride yes?
(12-03-2024, 07:39 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: So can anyone tell se the full story of the avoca giraffe males and their younger brother… so they are all from the giraffe pride yes? From what I’ve heard, yes, all 7 from Giraffe Pride. 2 oldest ones left first and joined their own prides breakaway pride (Avoca). 4 other brothers then left themselves and joined up with the 2 oldest with Avoca Pride. 7th brother joined up with his brothers too but never stayed and ended up taking BD Pride by himself. |
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