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(04-04-2020, 07:57 PM)Potato Wrote: If he tolerate them then I presume it might be Sumatra and Hercules cubs, althrough I guess they could belong to Orpen male as well and even Mbiris were is mating female at Orpen gate so kind of impossible to tell for sure.
Those cubs are too old to be sired by Hercules/Sumatra or Mbiris, those 2 where only recently seen with them.
Scorro pride was with Orpen males last year so those are their cubs.
Hercules/Sumatra males dont see this cubs as a threat, because there was no males with them (same as Avocas didn't harm Nkuhuma subadults or Matimbas Othawa cubs), this wasnt a takeover because pride was abandoned and some females are with no cubs so they are mating with them, so they dont need to kill the cubs for mating.
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If the new dominant males wouldn't see those cubs as potentially theirs, they would at least tryto kill them. They would not tolerate them so easly. Sub adults are different think.
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(04-04-2020, 09:22 PM)Potato Wrote: If the new dominant males wouldn't see those cubs as potentially theirs, they would at least tryto kill them. They would not tolerate them so easly. Sub adults are different think.
Well not all lions are the same, Matimbas didnt kill Othawa cubs either, we dont know all about lions.
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(04-06-2020, 09:44 AM)sik94 Wrote: One of Two Orpen Males • Buddy •
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1 of the 3 Koppies females is heavy pregnant, its expected to have birth soon which is good.
I am a bit worried about Orpen males legacy, its been around 2 years since they become dominant males in Manyeleti, spending time and mating with almost all prides there except Talamatis, and yet they have cubs only in Scorro pride, which they abandoned, so its unknown what will happen to those cubs.
Lets hope that they dont do the same with Koppies pride, yet stay, and protect and raise those cubs.
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They carry Scorro offspring to sub adulthood and since new dominant males of that pride seem to be accepting those sub adults it is likely they will reach adulthood. They bassicly already secured their legacy and they are not done yet. There are multiple their cubs in Koppies pride and they have easy take over of Mbiri pride in the near future. Females of that pride very soon will came into oestreus again and will look far adult males to mate with. Orpen males seem to be obvious choise there. Junior is 8 years old, Buddy is even a bit younger. They deffinitely can raise yet another generation in those two mentioned prides.
(04-06-2020, 08:36 PM)Potato Wrote: They carry Scorro offspring to sub adulthood and since new dominant males of that pride seem to be accepting those sub adults it is likely they will reach adulthood. They bassicly already secured their legacy and they are not done yet. There are multiple their cubs in Koppies pride and they have easy take over of Mbiri pride in the near future. Females of that pride very soon will came into oestreus again and will look far adult males to mate with. Orpen males seem to be obvious choise there. Junior is 8 years old, Buddy is even a bit younger. They deffinitely can raise yet another generation in those two mentioned prides.
I think theres no cubs in Koppies pride atm, they where few but they all died if im not mistaken, but soon there will be.
Well yes, they could obiviously take Mbiri pride in the future when their young males leave the pride, but those Mbiri young males with Nharu male could potentialy be threat to the Orpen males in future.
The Hercules male looking handsome and athletic. Here's some info on the Hercules pride: "In 2008 the Ross Pride was taken over by Tyson and Fabio (also known as the Good and Bad) and Scarface (the old male) was ousted. The pride at that point consisted of 20 adult females and 4 cubs. Because of the age of the cubs some of the females were scared of the new males and the pride split in two. Ten of the females and 4 cubs ran West towards the Klaserie river, and we later discovered they had run to an area owned by a man called Hercules. Hence the name. Basically all of the Hercules Pride was born on Ross (home to Africa on Foot & nThambo Tree Camp) and this is the reason they return and give birth to their cubs often in what used to be their old territory." Image by Debbie K Howard, April 90, 2020. Text by Kevin MacLaughlin.
This young male was spotted week ago in the south Manyeleti on the border with north Sabi Sands:
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Manyeleti rangers said that he might be of of the 5 Nharu, but they dont belive he is, he was quite shy and skittish, while Nharhus are very comfortable aroud vechicles, and that he has some different face structure the Nharus.
I think this is one of the Skybeds sons, last year when remaining Skybed was seen around this area in Buffelshoek, it was reported that his pride and atleast 2 young males where close.
(04-10-2020, 10:20 AM)sik94 Wrote: The Hercules male looking handsome and athletic. Here's some info on the Hercules pride: "In 2008 the Ross Pride was taken over by Tyson and Fabio (also known as the Good and Bad) and Scarface (the old male) was ousted. The pride at that point consisted of 20 adult females and 4 cubs. Because of the age of the cubs some of the females were scared of the new males and the pride split in two. Ten of the females and 4 cubs ran West towards the Klaserie river, and we later discovered they had run to an area owned by a man called Hercules. Hence the name. Basically all of the Hercules Pride was born on Ross (home to Africa on Foot & nThambo Tree Camp) and this is the reason they return and give birth to their cubs often in what used to be their old territory." Image by Debbie K Howard, April 90, 2020. Text by Kevin MacLaughlin.
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So Hercules was sired by the Ross males ? he must take after his mother . Btw I was looking at Ross photos and wondering if it's possible Orpen Buddy was sired by them as well ? dunno the age difference but he looks similar to me
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Buddy has a very unique whiskers pattern, that's not him. I have heard buddy was born in sabi sands, ross males were in the timbavati.
