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Kevin Richardson & his lions
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 (08-31-2020, 02:48 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: Yeah I know of 2 reportes that came close to being lunch (possibly) and then one , if I remember correctly, female employee was killed, rather rescently too. I wonder about what cases you are talking about, you and @BA0701 ? I mean from your discussion it´s easy to get expression, that Richardson would have been involved to some death of some woman, but claim is vague and more like rumor. I think, that when talking about this serious things, then there should be also something to what it´s based on. Not only "if I remember" or something. Nasty rumors spread fast and if source for such is wildfact, then case should be solid, not something what posters arent sure at all even themselves and not giving anything to what some claim is/are based on. Maybe you talk about this case, if so, I recommend to read this article carefully and think over if Richardson can be blamed in some way or not. And if, in what way really. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/03/woman-mauled-death-lion-kevin-richardson-lion-whisperer-south-africa-private-reserves-lion-walks-spd/  (08-31-2020, 03:16 AM)Shadow Wrote:@Shadow that is the case I referred to in which the woman died. In the video I posted just a couple of comments back in this thread, you can see very clearly that his male lion keyed in on the 60 Minutes reporter, and came very close to attacking her. In his comments made after that young reporter died, he said he had taken his lions out for a walk, and that nobody was supposed to be outside during that time. The reporter walked out to her car, if I recall correctly, and at that time one of his lionesses attacked and subsequently killed her. It should have been his responsibility, and the other employees on his reserve, to make sure that nobody was outside during that period, it was not the responsibility of the young woman, simply because she had no way of knowing when lions were out or not. Bottom line, if Richardson wants to go out on his own private reserve, and eat raw buffalo with his lions, and make videos of it, that is up to him and is his business, but he should not be allowing outside people to be on the property endangering them in the process. There was another post in the Lions in South-Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia thread here , where another private reserve owner was recently killed by two of his rescued lionesses. If someone wishes to endanger themselves getting close to these animals, then that is on them, but they should not be allowing others to share their experience with them. It is the same thing when Timothy Treadwell was killed, and in the process got his girlfriend killed. These people convince others that because they have not been harmed or killed yet, that they somehow have mastered how to deal with these animals, when in fact it is the animals who are showing tremendous restraint, and can simply snap at any given moment, resulting in serious harm or death. My biggest problem with it is, more times than not (I understand it did not happen in the examples being discussed) it is the animals who will end up being destroyed for no other reason than being who and what they were born to be. I find that to be incredibly selfish, and I find people like Richardson to be very dangerous due to the false sense of security that they portray.(08-31-2020, 02:48 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: Yeah I know of 2 reportes that came close to being lunch (possibly) and then one , if I remember correctly, female employee was killed, rather rescently too. (08-31-2020, 04:43 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-31-2020, 03:16 AM)Shadow Wrote:@Shadow that is the case I referred to in which the woman died. In the video I posted just a couple of comments back in this thread, you can see very clearly that his male lion keyed in on the 60 Minutes reporter, and came very close to attacking her. In his comments made after that young reporter died, he said he had taken his lions out for a walk, and that nobody was supposed to be outside during that time. The reporter walked out to her car, if I recall correctly, and at that time one of his lionesses attacked and subsequently killed her. It should have been his responsibility, and the other employees on his reserve, to make sure that nobody was outside during that period, it was not the responsibility of the young woman, simply because she had no way of knowing when lions were out or not. Bottom line, if Richardson wants to go out on his own private reserve, and eat raw buffalo with his lions, and make videos of it, that is up to him and is his business, but he should not be allowing outside people to be on the property endangering them in the process. There was another post in the Lions in South-Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia thread here , where another private reserve owner was recently killed by two of his rescued lionesses. If someone wishes to endanger themselves getting close to these animals, then that is on them, but they should not be allowing others to share their experience with them. It is the same thing when Timothy Treadwell was killed, and in the process got his girlfriend killed. These people convince others that because they have not been harmed or killed yet, that they somehow have mastered how to deal with these animals, when in fact it is the animals who are showing tremendous restraint, and can simply snap at any given moment, resulting in serious harm or death. My biggest problem with it is, more times than not (I understand it did not happen in the examples being discussed) it is the animals who will end up being destroyed for no other reason than being who and what they were born to be. I find that to be incredibly selfish, and I find people like Richardson to be very dangerous due to the false sense of security that they portray.(08-31-2020, 02:48 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: Yeah I know of 2 reportes that came close to being lunch (possibly) and then one , if I remember correctly, female employee was killed, rather rescently too. It´s good to remember, that from media it´s impossible to know all what has happened and why. I haven´t seen anywhere news, that Richardson would have been accused for a crime etc. When someone dies, those things are investigated after all. No matter how much we like it or not, accidents can and do happen sometimes and how much people are to blame for it, is another thing. When there is safety procedure, which is well known and should be respected, can you or I blame Richardson or someone else, when a person breaks those rules and procedures and goes to forbidden area. I understood, that this woman who died had with her a person, who should have been familiar with all safety procedures and that they went to forbidden area. If so, then for me it´s hard to blame Richardson too much even though I understand that someone else can, sometimes we look things from different points of views. I will look later that video, now I don´t have time. Anyway there are close calls time to time in many places. I don´t see Richardson as dangerous person, he seems to take things seriously, still sometimes there are lessons to learn for all. For sure he has made mistakes, but at least in interviews he sounds quite down to earth and taking things seriously. I believe, that there are a lot of people who take things way less seriously and those people for sure can be dangerous. But I would go any day to visit Richardson´s place with confidence that when listening instructions, no danger there. But anyway my main point was, that when talking about deaths in way, which can look to be accusing, then there should be also information about the case, what is talked about. Not some vague rumor like expression. It was in posting of @BigLion39 posting, I mentioned you too to make you notice this article I linked, because in my knowledge there aren´t any other lethal accidents with some connection to Richardson. I see that incident as a series of vert unlucky events which just happen sometimes in different places no matter what. Which doesn´t mean that there wouldn´t be anything to learn, when it has been figured out, what exactly happened.
I´ll add that much, that I had misunderstanding when I wrote my latest posting just before this. It looks to be so, that killed woman wasn´t in forbidden area, but very unlucky in the situation. As situation was overall, but with no more details I don´t like to comment this kind of incident too much. Usually from media it´s not easy to find all relevant information. Like what comes to this case, there isn´t too much which could be found quickly telling more. There has been investigation, but I didn´t see anything about results.
(08-31-2020, 06:15 AM)Shadow Wrote: I´ll add that much, that I had misunderstanding when I wrote my latest posting just before this. It looks to be so, that killed woman wasn´t in forbidden area, but very unlucky in the situation. As situation was overall, but with no more details I don´t like to comment this kind of incident too much. Usually from media it´s not easy to find all relevant information. Like what comes to this case, there isn´t too much which could be found quickly telling more. There has been investigation, but I didn´t see anything about results. @Shadow my friend, you are welcome to feel however you feel, as am I, and @BigLion39 as well, which is what makes this forum such a wonderful place, nobody is trying to impose their own feelings or opinions on anyone else, but we are all free to have and share them. The fact that one woman has already been killed, and another nearly attacked is enough for me to determine how I feel on the matter. Couple that with fatal, and non-fatal for that matter, attacks at other reserves, and I have personally seen all I need to in order to form my opinion. You can feel how you feel, and I am entirely fine with that. So, let's just accept that we aren't going to change each others positions, shake hands, and have a beer and a shot. What do you say my friend? First round is on me, cheers @Shadow ! (08-31-2020, 09:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-31-2020, 06:15 AM)Shadow Wrote: I´ll add that much, that I had misunderstanding when I wrote my latest posting just before this. It looks to be so, that killed woman wasn´t in forbidden area, but very unlucky in the situation. As situation was overall, but with no more details I don´t like to comment this kind of incident too much. Usually from media it´s not easy to find all relevant information. Like what comes to this case, there isn´t too much which could be found quickly telling more. There has been investigation, but I didn´t see anything about results. How you feel is one thing and of course your business so to say. Why I wrote was because things concerning death was said in vague way with no sources and information about what had happened and how or was anything happened at all. It was suggested, that a female employee would have been killed quite recently at Richardson´s place, which was incorrect information. There has happened such incident in South-Africa, but it had nothing to do with Richardson, it happened in Bela-Bela game reserve. https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/local-news/2242473/nature-loving-woman-attacked-killed-by-lions-at-private-game-reserve/ Only incident leading to death concerning Richards, which I´m aware at least, is that accident from 2018, which I shared already and wasn´t his employee. Internet is full of rumors. What I like to see is, that people at Wildfact are cautious, when writing about such things. Many people don´t double check things, at all. As far as I know, there haven´t been any lethal accidents happening so, that Richardson would have been there at the place of the incident. That one case was truly one very unlucky situation, but I don´t remember other cases connected to him. It would be interesting to know more about it and did it cause some changes to something. It looked like something which maybe no-one had thought to be possible to happen, until it happened. And that kind of accidents happen all the time in different places. It´s easy to say that something shouldn´t ever happen, difficult thing is to prevent accidents to happen even though people have thought that all was done carefully. Anyway, you can feel how you feel, as can others. Just when "accusing" some place of lethal accidents, posters should double check such things in order to avoid defame people by accident for things, which they have had nothing to do with. Many people care about lions and conservation work thanks to Richardson, no matter what. So us here should be fair with him. (08-31-2020, 07:37 PM)Shadow Wrote:@Shadow, I don't believe anyone has been "unfair to Richardson here. This should be the last we hear on the subject, take care my friend!(08-31-2020, 09:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-31-2020, 06:15 AM)Shadow Wrote: I´ll add that much, that I had misunderstanding when I wrote my latest posting just before this. It looks to be so, that killed woman wasn´t in forbidden area, but very unlucky in the situation. As situation was overall, but with no more details I don´t like to comment this kind of incident too much. Usually from media it´s not easy to find all relevant information. Like what comes to this case, there isn´t too much which could be found quickly telling more. There has been investigation, but I didn´t see anything about results. (08-31-2020, 02:48 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: Yeah I know of 2 reportes that came close to being lunch (possibly) and then one , if I remember correctly, female employee was killed, rather rescently too. This posting was reason to my comments. It suggested something which wasn´t true. Even though for sure no bad intentions, still vague claim and some random visitor could think: "oh, there was already some case I remember and now another".. While there is only that one case. What I mean by being fair to Richardson as well as to others is to check facts, before writing thins kind of things. Not the biggest thing in the world maybe, but facts are better than thoughts in certain serious things. (08-31-2020, 08:07 PM)Shadow Wrote:Now that you have made your point, please make this the last post on the matter. There is no need for any further discourse on the subject.(08-31-2020, 02:48 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: Yeah I know of 2 reportes that came close to being lunch (possibly) and then one , if I remember correctly, female employee was killed, rather rescently too. (08-31-2020, 08:15 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(08-31-2020, 08:07 PM)Shadow Wrote:Now that you have made your point, please make this the last post on the matter. There is no need for any further discourse on the subject.(08-31-2020, 02:48 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: Yeah I know of 2 reportes that came close to being lunch (possibly) and then one , if I remember correctly, female employee was killed, rather rescently too. No need, I just "defend" Richardson a bit because I like his work and respect his knowledge, so I like to see certain things told as they are :) 
Shadow nothing I said was fact. I brought up what I could remember. No need to get so serious on a forum. I like Richardson and I follow him and I've also seen his videos where he talks about the acaccident where the female was killed so excuse me if I mixed up if it was an employee or not. Anybody can googke search Richardson and find all of those videos so I did not feel it was necessary to link them, especially when I was having a convo with a fellow member here who knows about Richardson. What else was bad info? The fact that he said he was not going to let anyone in with the lions after these accidents happen? He stated it in a video . Ill go back and find it. Let's stop being so politically correct and get real. I love Richardson and what he does for the lions. He is smart and calculated and i believe he does not take for granted the power of a lion.
(09-01-2020, 12:02 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: Shadow nothing I said was fact. I brought up what I could remember. No need to get so serious on a forum. I like Richardson and I follow him and I've also seen his videos where he talks about the acaccident where the female was killed so excuse me if I mixed up if it was an employee or not. Anybody can googke search Richardson and find all of those videos so I did not feel it was necessary to link them, especially when I was having a convo with a fellow member here who knows about Richardson. What else was bad info? The fact that he said he was not going to let anyone in with the lions after these accidents happen? He stated it in a video . Ill go back and find it. Let's stop being so politically correct and get real. I love Richardson and what he does for the lions. He is smart and calculated and i believe he does not take for granted the power of a lion. I consider death cases serious when talking about places in which animals are kept in captivity. As I wrote before, internet is full of rumors and many people don´t check things at all. It can be seen in many places. Idea of this forum is good information. I do like Richardson as you do too. When something is said as opinion, I really don´t care. Some like, some don´t. Some see him as dangerous in some way, then some don´t. It´s just so easy to create images to peoples mind like "Oh, that place of Richardson... isn´t there accidents every now and then and some people died there". So people can get impression of irresponsible person and place. When I looked that earlier discussion it looked like something, what I see somewhat differently. So I said it and also linked only case from there in my knowledge in which one person sadly lost her life. And then also that case which I thought that you were referring(?) which was another place and nothing to do with Richardson. Political correct... Well, I don´t think that it´s demanded in wildfact. Facts and manners are the things in which focus is. I didn´t see your posting as misinformation on purpose and maybe my text looks more harsh than it was meant to be. But since there was criticism towards Richardson, I chose to bring in the other side of the coin too, so to say. He seems to be a person who tries his best and takes things seriously in order to keep his place secure for people visiting and working there. So all in all, we don´t have here disagreement, I think, what comes to things overall. I´m just sometimes a pain in the *** when I notice something which I feel, that needs to be clarified. When we discuss here with each others, many visitors read those messages too. Some know things even better than us, some then again don´t. That´s why I and some others react if or when seeing something, which we know to be incorrect or possibly misleading. I hope that no bad feelings after all, keep on posting!! :) (09-01-2020, 12:02 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: Shadow nothing I said was fact. I brought up what I could remember. No need to get so serious on a forum. I like Richardson and I follow him and I've also seen his videos where he talks about the acaccident where the female was killed so excuse me if I mixed up if it was an employee or not. Anybody can googke search Richardson and find all of those videos so I did not feel it was necessary to link them, especially when I was having a convo with a fellow member here who knows about Richardson. What else was bad info? The fact that he said he was not going to let anyone in with the lions after these accidents happen? He stated it in a video . Ill go back and find it. Let's stop being so politically correct and get real. I love Richardson and what he does for the lions. He is smart and calculated and i believe he does not take for granted the power of a lion. I wouldn't sweat it my friend, you did nothing wrong I assure you. Keep on making great contributions to this forum @BigLion39 
Kevin Richardson: " Lions who have lived together most of their lives do scrap from time to time. People often wrongly think that because they are coalition males, they never fight. It’s like saying human siblings never fight because they’re family. It’s all part of life and sometimes scraps can get violent but for the most part it’s all bark and no bite, like in this photo. When you witness a fight there’s a lot of growling, slapping and biting, but when the dust settles there is little more than a bit of saliva left on the victim. What I’ve always found incredible throughout my career is the fact that such a powerful animal has such precise control over its jaw and paw pressure and it’s not an all or nothing action when they lash out. "
Shadow were all good man over here! All love brother!
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