Kambula/Ntsevu Pride

[criollo2mil]

(03-12-2023, 05:16 AM)Mapokser Wrote: If 10 are alive at this point I'm taking this as good news.

That’s NOT a bad way to look at this.   I was agonizing at this being a much worse pandémic. Reply

[BA0701]

(03-12-2023, 06:04 AM)Mwk85 Wrote: This was posted by MalaMala earlier and the comment by them was in reply to someone asking if four (4) Kambula lionesses were dead. Not trying to add to the confusion just thought I'd share what came straight from them. 

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Glad we're getting some official word. Though I hate it has happened at all especially to a sub at such a young age, two certainly sounds better to my ears than three. I think @criollo2mil may have identified the two, we will just have to give it time and see if his deductions end up being the case. Reply

[criollo2mil]

Latest Londolozi Blog with a summary of the Kambula pride’s last year and half

https://blog.londolozi.com/2023/03/21/heartbreak-and-hope-a-story-of-survival/

There are some inconsistencies w what we have been tracking.   But generally a great breakdown and does shed a bit (albeit very little) of light on the recent deaths.


The blog (unless I’m mis reading) intimates that one of the dead lionesses is from the breakaway.  This confuses me because all 4 members have been seen.  

Some excerpts:

“And finally, tragically, the first of the original six Ntsevu Females was recently lost, again, cause unknown. Her body was found through the descending of a host of vultures. This was an especially sad day for us all, as although we know we should not let ourselves become attached, it is hard not to admire the strength and resilience of this sisterhood of six and to watch the first of them fall was definitely a blow”


“And there, about 100m (300 yards) beyond the two lionesses sat another female, clearly anxious; her back stiff, her neck craning to watch for any movement in the male, her ears flat.And then we heard her contact calling as well, she was clearly distressed. And the pieces all fell into place, this was the cub, now about two years old, and that must mean that one of the middle two lionesses was her older sister/cousin that had been looking after her for the last few weeks after her mother had died. They had returned to the pride! Or at least they were trying to. The situation was tense; the male staring intently at the youngster, clearly unsure about this newcomer, but also somehow very relaxed around her caretaker (who, remember, has been missing for almost a year) who lay serenely in the road, unperturbed by the curious male.”


Very interested in hearing everyone’s thoughts and interpretations.    Reply

[criollo2mil]

In the londolozi Blog, they show this image as one of the ‘LAte lionesses’


This adds to my confusion because this is K3,,  the mother of the two sub adults and member of the breakaway.   I had not expected to see her identifies as dying because she has been seen several times since the announcements of any deaths.   So I’m confused. Reply

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[criollo2mil]

(03-21-2023, 06:00 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Latest Londolozi Blog with a summary of the Kambula pride’s last year and half

https://blog.londolozi.com/2023/03/21/heartbreak-and-hope-a-story-of-survival/

There are some inconsistencies w what we have been tracking.   But generally a great breakdown and does shed a bit (albeit very little) of light on the recent deaths.


The blog (unless I’m mis reading) intimates that one of the dead lionesses is from the breakaway.  This confuses me because all 4 members have been seen.  

Some excerpts:

“And finally, tragically, the first of the original six Ntsevu Females was recently lost, again, cause unknown. Her body was found through the descending of a host of vultures. This was an especially sad day for us all, as although we know we should not let ourselves become attached, it is hard not to admire the strength and resilience of this sisterhood of six and to watch the first of them fall was definitely a blow”


“And there, about 100m (300 yards) beyond the two lionesses sat another female, clearly anxious; her back stiff, her neck craning to watch for any movement in the male, her ears flat.And then we heard her contact calling as well, she was clearly distressed. And the pieces all fell into place, this was the cub, now about two years old, and that must mean that one of the middle two lionesses was her older sister/cousin that had been looking after her for the last few weeks after her mother had died. They had returned to the pride! Or at least they were trying to. The situation was tense; the male staring intently at the youngster, clearly unsure about this newcomer, but also somehow very relaxed around her caretaker (who, remember, has been missing for almost a year) who lay serenely in the road, unperturbed by the curious male.”


Very interested in hearing everyone’s thoughts and interpretations.   

Let me expand and clarify what I mean regarding inconsistencies.

In the blog, they intimate that the breakaway Pride consisted of an Adult lioness, one of her older daughters and the cubs.   As we know, it was actually two adult lionesses.

Secondly, I’m a bit confused because they only mention a single sub nervously approaching the two lionesses and the male towards the end….no mention of a second sub.


If anyone has some insight, I’d love to hear . Reply

[Tr1x24]

@criollo2mil 

Isnt it confirmed that 1 of the 6 younger females died, and not the older one?

As for this story, they obiviously confuse some things.

But isnt those 2 females, with nervous cub, just 2 Breakaway females? Reply

[BorntobeWild]

Did two or three lionesses pass away? Reply

[DARK MANE]

(03-21-2023, 11:55 PM)BorntobeWild Wrote: Did two or three lionesses pass away?

And who are those passed away?
Intially there were 6 old females, 6 young females 2 subfemales.
Now what I got impression is 2 older females and 1 young female are no more Reply

[Mdz123]

(03-12-2023, 03:27 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: Visual Status of the Kambula Lionesses 


Thanks to DB user Gustavo for these ID cards (God knows I suck at these things :) ) 


For the purposes of IDs:

#7 and #8 daughters of #1
#9 and #10 daughters of #2
#11 daughter of #3
#12 daughter of #5

@DARK MANE apparently K4 and one of the younger females died. All the rest were seen alive Reply

[Mdz123]

(03-21-2023, 06:10 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: In the londolozi Blog, they show this image as one of the ‘LAte lionesses’


This adds to my confusion because this is K3,,  the mother of the two sub adults and member of the breakaway.   I had not expected to see her identifies as dying because she has been seen several times since the announcements of any deaths.   So I’m confused.

Its probably Londolozi misidentifying the females Reply

[Tr1x24]

@criollo2mil 

So whats the conclusion?

Older K4 female and 1 younger died? Alongside 1 breakaway cub?

I see a lot of people are now saying that K3 died because of Londolozi report. Reply

[criollo2mil]

(03-22-2023, 05:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: @criollo2mil 

So whats the conclusion?

Older K4 female and 1 younger died? Alongside 1 breakaway cub?

I see a lot of people are now saying that K3 died because of Londolozi report.

I think the londolozi guide mixed up identities.   

From several sighting, k3 is alive.    K4 has yet to be seen.    One younger female confirmed dead.   

The blog did identify k3 as a dead lioness but that can’t be accurate.   They even used a second image showing her alive.   Just a very confusing blog post. Reply

[lionuk]

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[T_Ferguson]

I no longer know if anybody knows the K#'s of the Kambula's.  haha... you decide.

Either way, it's fascinating that the Black Dam Males seem to be going after the N'Was over Mohawk.

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[T_Ferguson]

Cubs... Cubs Everywhere!  I think I read somewhere they think there could be 2 dozen cubs around.  That was before the incidents occurred however with the lionesses passing.

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