Kambula/Ntsevu Pride

[Duco Ndona]

If it is a single carcass its odd that the lionesses were found separately days from eachother without any reports of sickness in the pride. 
It is possible that the floodings earlier killed an excess of animals that nature cannot clean up fast enough. So there are now multiple carcasses scattered around rotten beyond what is safe to consume.

Then again. If it is something like that. Its odd that only the pride is affected. 
One would expect the Nwas to be heavily affected aswell. As would other animals that scavenge for food. 

It would be helpful if we had a timeline of sightings. Reply

[Tr1x24]

(03-07-2023, 12:38 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: It is possible that the floodings earlier killed an excess of animals that nature cannot clean up fast enough. So there are now multiple carcasses scattered around rotten beyond what is safe to consume.

Lions will not consume overly rotten carcass, they are not hyenas or vultures, bad smell is enough for them to not consume it.

If that was not the case, we would se a lot of dead lions around, as for lions, overly rotten carcass is pretty comon to find in the wild.

Maybe was still consumable but infected with some bacteria. Reply

[Mdz123]

(03-07-2023, 01:24 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(03-07-2023, 12:38 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: It is possible that the floodings earlier killed an excess of animals that nature cannot clean up fast enough. So there are now multiple carcasses scattered around rotten beyond what is safe to consume.

Lions will not consume overly rotten carcass, they are not hyenas or vultures, bad smell is enough for them to not consume it.

If that was not the case, we would se a lot of dead lions around, as for lions, overly rotten carcass is pretty comon to find in the wild.

I believe that a likely scenario is the waterhole that the Kambulas recently drinked at was contaminated. If this is the case, hopefully officials can barricade to waterhole to prevent further casualties Reply

[Tr1x24]

(03-07-2023, 01:31 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: I believe that a likely scenario is the waterhole that the Kambulas recently drinked at was contaminated. If this is the case, hopefully officials can barricade to waterhole to prevent further casualties

Contaminated by what? Reply

[Duco Ndona]

Carcasses and fecal matter from infected animals. 

It can spread deceases such as cholera or dysentery. Which are common secondary killer after floodings. Reply

[afortich]

Very sad news. RIP Queens  Reply

[BorntobeWild]

(03-07-2023, 01:31 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(03-07-2023, 01:24 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(03-07-2023, 12:38 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: It is possible that the floodings earlier killed an excess of animals that nature cannot clean up fast enough. So there are now multiple carcasses scattered around rotten beyond what is safe to consume.

Lions will not consume overly rotten carcass, they are not hyenas or vultures, bad smell is enough for them to not consume it.

If that was not the case, we would se a lot of dead lions around, as for lions, overly rotten carcass is pretty comon to find in the wild.

I believe that a likely scenario is the waterhole that the Kambulas recently drinked at was contaminated. If this is the case, hopefully officials can barricade to waterhole to prevent further casualties

If the waterhole was contaminated, there would be much more animals died unless the bacterial is specific to lions. Reply

[Duco Ndona]

True. Though the death of the nameless animals typically arent reported as much. 

According to Noor on facebook vets dont suspect its the case anyway. 

Also apparently the lioness reported today died two weeks ago and wasnt a Kambula. Reply

[Mapokser]

@Duco Ndona only 2 dead Kambulas then?

But who's the third dead lioness? Reply

[T_Ferguson]

There was a twitter report of the Kambula Breakaways... Not sure where or what members they are, possibly stealing a kill from the Styx pride over the weekend.  I didn't know there was a breakaway group... They had a picture of a Male there too.  The Styx are in the Newington Gate area right?  Would that male be Gore, or pics of the Styx pride which I believe are the Plains Camp Males right?  Sorry.. Trying to get my head around the geography and familial situations.

Hopefully that means that this ugly situation we are discussing is just a bad timing event and not a runaway situation. Reply

[BorntobeWild]

Also there is a possibility that the deaths caused by a poisoned animal or animals from somewhere else flooded to the area where the lioness got and consumed. 
Dont know when the three N boys were seen last time. Reply

[BorntobeWild]

(03-07-2023, 04:07 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Duco Ndona only 2 dead Kambulas then?

But who's the third dead lioness?

I thought all were from Kambulas.
I am worried about Stxy pride. Umkumbe is their territory. Reply

[T_Ferguson]

(03-07-2023, 04:28 AM)BorntobeWild Wrote:

(03-07-2023, 04:07 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Duco Ndona only 2 dead Kambulas then?

But who's the third dead lioness?

I thought all were from Kambulas.

There seems to be some debate about that at this time.  I am still not certain based on the pictures they showed that the lion wasn't a sub-adult.  I speak from a big position of ignorance though, and am relying on pretty non-reliable interwebs reports. Reply

[Mwk85]

(03-07-2023, 04:28 AM)BorntobeWild Wrote:

(03-07-2023, 04:07 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Duco Ndona only 2 dead Kambulas then?

But who's the third dead lioness?

I thought all were from Kambulas.
I am worried about Stxy pride. Umkumbe is their territory.

SabiSabi's Instagram page posted about seeing them (Styx Pride) over the weekend and nothing about any of the members being missing was stated. This whole Kambula situation is a bit odd to me. I've been looking around numerous places (game reserve pages/ranger pages/profiles) and have found absolutely nothing in regard to Kambula lionesses being found dead, only thing I've seen is the picture of the hyena carrying part of a lion carcass that was shared on the previous page from the Lion Sightings FB page. Don't get wrong, I'm not trying to dispute the legitimacy of said post, just that nowhere else (to my knowledge) has anything on their deaths. If anyone has seen or read anything about it elsewhere let me know and I'll gladly delete the latter half of my post. Reply

[Tonpa]

Kambula Pride - No mention of any of the deaths

Owing to this being the shortest month of the year and a surplus of precipitation, sightings of most of our resident predators dipped this month. In contrast to the 29 sightings we recorded of members of this pride in January, we only recorded 16 sightings this month. While we did not see our most prolific pride as frequently as we usually do, sightings of them were high class, and six of them included the newest additions.

• The two older cubs from Kambula Group A were alone on the 1st when they were south of Campbell Koppies. No sightings were confirmed with all four lionesses together this month. After observing gradual integrations last month, perhaps the adult lionesses are beginning to reintegrate into the core of the pride.
  

• Kambula Group B was not seen this month; however, a young male lion was around MalaMala Campon the 9th, and while rangers could not confirm the identity of this individual, it was likely one of the young Kambula male lions.
  

• On the 1st two lionesses were with two of the Ndhzenga males at Princess Alice Pans. Seven lionesses and one Ndhzenga male crossed west over the Sand River at Confluence Crossing on the 17th. Five of these lionesses were lactating. The morning of the 18th revealed one lioness with three small cubs on the Western Bank of the Sand River, south of Flockfield Pools. Later that afternoon, two different lionesses and two small cubs were found in the same area but on the Eastern Bank. One lioness and two of the cubs were in the same area, south of the Treehouse, on the 19th. The same two lionesses and two small cubs lazed in the long grass at Kapen Open Area on the 23rd. On the 27th, two lionesses were with four of the smallest cubs south of Princess Alice Pans. On the 28th, we were met with another surprise when rangers found eight small cubs and two lionesses south of Princess Alice Pans. With at least five lionesses lactating, even more cubs could be concealed on the property.
  

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