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Kambula/Ntsevu males
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Kiongozi is also a main character from the Lion king franchise. I dont know if thats an issue?
 (05-25-2024, 10:11 PM)adamstocks16 Wrote:(05-25-2024, 08:43 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: So I've gone and created a poll for people to vote on potential names for the 4 northern boys. Multiple choices/answers are possible, and there is an 'add own choice' option for people with their own name ideas, but it doesn't require an answer to every question, so you don't have to vote on every male. The link is below: I like your suggestions but the issue with Swahili is that it's an East African language, and isn't spoken in South Africa, where these boys are from. That's why it's best if it's the guides that give them these sorts of names.
Stil, leier, knorrig and jongste dont have the same ring to it though. Though Afrikaans doesnt feel right either and not just due to it being weird to see dutch all the time.
Perhaps Zulu? Which results in Ukulala (Quiet) Umholi (Leader) Uthukuthele (Anger) Ungumngane (Youngest) Or Xhosa. Cwaka (Quiet) Inkokheli(Leader) Kwik (Anger) Chrum (Youngest) Though I recall the local native language is Tsonga. Which google translate doesnt cover. 
Honestly, I think it's better to let the local names to the guides/rangers to decide in case they want to.
Suggestions sent in previously seem much more appropriate imo. Simple and reminiscent of physical characteristics which helps an easier ID. 
Thanks all, I agree it’s probably more appropriate for the guides/reserves to come up with names, I wasn’t trying to suggest they should be official or anything just get the impression for people new to following lions it can get confusing as we end up with some names being used multiple times. Also it’s quite random for example Mapogos, Majingilanes, Matimbas, Birminghams, Northern Avocas now Ndhzengas were all given names but then Selatis, Matshipiris, Southern Avocas and currently Gijimas don’t have them. Plains Camp Males one has a name the other one doesn’t. Just think we would benefit from a bit more consistency but ultimately whether they are named or not means nothing to the lions themselves. Would be interested to hear some other perspectives on the subject of naming lions and whether we think it’s necessary or not.
 (05-26-2024, 12:03 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Chrum (Youngest) Sounds a lot like Crom, and while not an African name to my knowledge, not even sure if it is related to any real language, but that would be an excellent name for a beastly male lion, might fit the unnamed PCM really well, actually, especially if he continues to win out mating battles. (05-26-2024, 02:18 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(05-26-2024, 12:03 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Chrum (Youngest) Poor guy needs a name lol, his more impressive brother is ‘Makhunga’ then all he gets is smaller male, smaller maned male etc. Although recently it seems he has the upper hand when it comes to dominance specifically when lionesses are around. I’m sure I saw somewhere one of the guides refer to him as ‘Mapimpi’ but I can’t remember where or who. But that’s a decent suggestion for him also. 
You know what k12 tried to think twice to return to her pride and was chased away I will try and find the videos but she has no other option haven’t seen the nwaswitshaka males sister plains camp males sisters we assume they rejoined their pride the matshipiri males sister just disappeared so she will likely end up on her own unfortunately but I hope not
(05-26-2024, 02:26 AM)adamstocks16 Wrote:(05-26-2024, 02:18 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(05-26-2024, 12:03 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Chrum (Youngest) Mine was more a tongue in cheek suggestion. Crom was the all-powerful God of everything in the Conan books/comics/movies. That was why I said he would need to be on a Makhulu level of beastly. I tend to stay out of the naming conversations, as some seem receptive, while others not so much. I'll stand on the sidelines, call fouls, and let everyone else join the scrum (rugby reference, which will make sense momentarily, as what a scrum is, is about the height of my rugby knowledge). What I see when I search for Mapimpi, is a South African rugby player, who, apparently, "emerged from hopelessness". Don't know if it is one in the same, as far as that name goes. I know very little of rugby, and even less about South African pop culture. So, if everyone says that is a fitting name, then it works for me. (05-26-2024, 01:48 AM)adamstocks16 Wrote: Thanks all, I agree it’s probably more appropriate for the guides/reserves to come up with names, I wasn’t trying to suggest they should be official or anything just get the impression for people new to following lions it can get confusing as we end up with some names being used multiple times. Also it’s quite random for example Mapogos, Majingilanes, Matimbas, Birminghams, Northern Avocas now Ndhzengas were all given names but then Selatis, Matshipiris, Southern Avocas and currently Gijimas don’t have them. Plains Camp Males one has a name the other one doesn’t. Just think we would benefit from a bit more consistency but ultimately whether they are named or not means nothing to the lions themselves. Would be interested to hear some other perspectives on the subject of naming lions and whether we think it’s necessary or not. Yeah the repetitiveness is the issue with names like these. There have been quite a few Dark Manes just in Sabi Sands. There's even a current 'Dark-Maned' Gijima male. That's why names like 'three-tooth' are great because it's a lot less commonly used. Not that it's great that the boy lost his tooth. With the consistency of naming, the difference I can see is the ones that got named were bigger coalitions, so maybe they are more likely to get named as there are more of them that you have to differentiate and distinguish, especially if you're a guide. But then the Ross males got names, and I'm sure other duos have.
Update on the poll: I've added some of the names that people suggested (not the Swahili ones) to the options so now you can go and select that one. I don't think there's anything stopping you doing the survey again, just skip the ones that you clicked last time.
I agree ultimately its up to Panthera, the guides and reserves. But its fun to speculate on our end.
We have to keep in mind though that we are one of the bigger more influential communities. So we should not populairise names like Kittypaws or anything else disrespectfull. I think if we were to start seriously naming animals, these should be some rules for it. 1. Be original. We have enough Darkmanes and Mohawks as it is. 2. Avoid popular culture unless the referense makes somewhat sense. So no Simba or Scar unless their lives oddly mimic their fictional counterparts. 3. Be descriptive. Dont just pull some random cool words from a dictionary but pick something fitting to the animal. 4. Try to if possible use words and names from Zulu or or the local native languages. Dutch should not be used unless lifting names from local landmarks in afrikaans. English however should be fine. 5. No generational names like X jr. These arecanimals in their right. Not continuations of some others story. The only exception is naming a new pride after its founding lioness. 6. No kings or princes. Its so overused it became an empty uninspired title that a lion often gets when there is not any real accomplishment to celebrate. Its also a pretty western invention as local traditions place far more importance to the Leopard as king of animals etc.
The darkmane gijima thing I don’t think it’s a “real” name I think they’re just describing who and what he is… one of the gijima males was mating with a young Styx female who was it? The lighter maned gijima it’s a characteristic BUT I get it those names might stick so I understand just like the avocas lol they kept their names the Birmingham males had different names at first I think nsuku was named blondie in the beginning and i think mfumo was named Samson but at the end of the day we can not name the lions well we shouldn’t and we are just describing the males as we see them to be honest but get it
(05-26-2024, 04:34 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: I agree ultimately its up to Panthera, the guides and reserves. But its fun to speculate on our end. I have to say, that while my name, Crom is based on a mythical God (albeit flat out made up for a comic book), I am not aware of it having ever been used for a lion before. It also carries a very powerful reference, as well. Just saying 
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