Jaguars of Brazil - Dynamics,Lifestyle,Datas,Studies,Reports

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(10-31-2020, 08:34 PM)Balam Wrote: @Pckts the JID told me that Juru had last been seen on September in the area, the fires could have driven him away, but with so many large males found within the same distance I doubt that he will be able to return to claim a sizeable territory.

I also agree with you that Edno was trying to be relatively delicate with the female as he probably wanted to mate, my guess is that if there would have been a larger and more threatening male (i.e. Balam), both of them would've had a more tenacious battle. Nonetheless, kudos to the female for standing up and eventually making Edno lose interest in pursuing her.

2-1 situation alone can be confusing and a bit intimidating for solitary cat used to fight only 1-1 what comes to own species. When neither of the siblings didn´t back off and flee, Edno had to be all the time careful with both. Lions are after all only big cats used to fight against multiple opponents and still only in rare cases some lions have made a move against more than one opponent simultaneously, when facing own species. This kind of situation can be speculated in many ways, but this isn´t something what jaguars are used to. It can be, that Edno was quite surprised when both jaguars held their ground when he approached and both aggressive towards him.

Edno was the only Cat being the aggressor, both the siblings were submissive the whole time.

Obviously Edno made the offensive move. Point is, that siblings didn´t back off, but held their ground. So Edno had to be aware and careful all the time, one mistake and he could have been attacked from two directions and injured. That is something what jaguars aren´t used to. In the end it was Edno leaving and siblings staying. That kind of situation could be very confusing to any jaguar so I don´t think that Edno was "soft", he just faced something surprising and didn´t know how to handle it.

I think you're making more out of it than there was.
Edno dictated the interaction every time, the siblings did nothing other than wait and submit. Also Edno isn't going anywhere, I will guarantee it the 2 youngsters that leave not far before he does.

Well, people who saw this said, that Edno left, not siblings. Guide told that Edno ran away and this person who took photos also said, that Edno left, not siblings. I think, that they know what they saw. But you are free to have your opinion of course, I don´t mind.

Where are you reading that Edno ran away, let alone was being chased off? 
Like I said, they will leave the Meeting of the 3 rivers not Edno, you can almost guarantee it.

I didn´t write, that it was chased off. You can check my posting if you misunderstood something. Guide who filmed this incident on video wrote, that Edno ran away. You can of course guarantee things, but I have been writing about this confrontation and what happened there. What happens in future is another thing. Big cats have been backing off to come back later, it´s not something never seen before. Being intimidated or confused at one moment doesn´t mean some "decisive loss". But it´s good to remember, that Edno, even though big and impressive is an jaguar, sometimes situations can be so surprising that it doesn´t know how to handle it and it has to back off. There is a video showing how one dhole manages to make a big male leopard to run away full speed, so I don´t see anything extraordinary in it, that big male jaguar doesn´t want to try his luck with two smaller jaguars if not absolutely necessary.

Where are you seeing someone say he "ran off?"

Not someone, the guide who filmed this. He wrote in Instagram. Reply