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Incidents in zoos and facilities

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( This post was last modified: 10-30-2018, 11:17 PM by peter )

ABOUT THE NEW THREAD

The section 'Captive Animals' has a thread about incidents between humans and captive animals. Apart from the circus threads, however, there's no thread on incidents between animals in facilities.

For this reason, I decided for this new thread.

The aim of this thread is to collect information about incidents between captive animals in zoos and facilities (not the circus). Incidents in which humans were not involved, that is. Not directly, I mean. 
  
BROWN BEARS KILL WOLF IN DUTCH FACILITY

In Europe, apart from zoos, you can find many facilities. Most are open to the public. The incident discussed in this post happened in a facility in the southern part of the Netherlands. In that facility, wolves and brown bears are kept in one large enclosure. 

It isn't the only facility in which grey wolves and brown bears live in one enclosure. May seem a bit strange to some of us, but I never read anything about problems.

Until today.

The article at the bottom of this post says that one of the wolves fell into a small pool during play. When it tried to get out, it was attacked by a bear. The other bears immediately joined. Although the other wolves tried to intervene, the wolf was killed. On account of the violence, the video (02:37), shot by a visitor, starts with a warning:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o822wdJDqmY

The spokesman said the incident won't result in a new strategy on brown bears and wolves. Apparently, they consider it a freak incident. The article is in Dutch:

https://nos.nl/artikel/2257108-beren-dod...ierlo.html
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(10-30-2018, 10:22 PM)peter Wrote: BROWN BEARS KILL WOLF IN DUTCH FACILITY

We have a thread about incidents between humans and captive animals in this section (captive animals), but, apart from the two circus threads, nothing on incidents between animals. For this reason, I decided for this new thread.

The aim of the thread is to collect information about incidents between captive animals in zoos and facilities (not the circus). Incidents in which humans were not involved, that is.

In Europe, apart from zoos, you can find lots of facilities. Most are open to the public. This incident discussed in this post happened in a facility in The Netherlands. I never heard of it before, but it apparently has brown bears and wolves. They live together in one part of the facility.

According to a spokesman, the brown bears and wolves never had any problems. Until today.

During play, one of the wolves fell into a small pool. When it tried to get out, it was attacked by a bear. The three other bears immediately joined. Although the other wolves tried to intervene, the wolf was killed. The video (02:38), shot by a visitor, starts with a warning, as it's violent:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o822wdJDqmY

The spokeswoman said the incident, apparently considered as a freak incident, won't result in a new strategy on brown bears and wolves. The article is in Dutch:

https://nos.nl/artikel/2257108-beren-dod...ierlo.html

"The spokeswoman said the incident, apparently considered as a freak incident, won't result in a new strategy on brown bears and wolves. The article is in Dutch:"

Of course, why would they attempt to fix a problem?
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(10-30-2018, 10:22 PM)peter Wrote: BROWN BEARS KILL WOLF IN DUTCH FACILITY

We have a thread about incidents between humans and captive animals in this section (captive animals), but, apart from the two circus threads, nothing on incidents between animals. For this reason, I decided for this new thread.

The aim of the thread is to collect information about incidents between captive animals in zoos and facilities (not the circus). Incidents in which humans were not involved, that is.

In Europe, apart from zoos, you can find lots of facilities. Most are open to the public. This incident discussed in this post happened in a facility in The Netherlands. I never heard of it before, but it apparently has brown bears and wolves. They live together in one part of the facility.

According to a spokesman, the brown bears and wolves never had any problems. Until today.

During play, one of the wolves fell into a small pool. When it tried to get out, it was attacked by a bear. The three other bears immediately joined. Although the other wolves tried to intervene, the wolf was killed. The video (02:38), shot by a visitor, starts with a warning, as it's violent:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o822wdJDqmY

The spokeswoman said the incident, apparently considered as a freak incident, won't result in a new strategy on brown bears and wolves. The article is in Dutch:

https://nos.nl/artikel/2257108-beren-dod...ierlo.html
Unlucky wolf, water balances too much agility advance and bear can actually catch it. Who knows if bear just saw a chance and used it, on dry land it is pretty impossible for a bear to catch a wolf.
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(10-30-2018, 10:33 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 10:22 PM)peter Wrote: BROWN BEARS KILL WOLF IN DUTCH FACILITY

We have a thread about incidents between humans and captive animals in this section (captive animals), but, apart from the two circus threads, nothing on incidents between animals. For this reason, I decided for this new thread.

The aim of the thread is to collect information about incidents between captive animals in zoos and facilities (not the circus). Incidents in which humans were not involved, that is.

In Europe, apart from zoos, you can find lots of facilities. Most are open to the public. This incident discussed in this post happened in a facility in The Netherlands. I never heard of it before, but it apparently has brown bears and wolves. They live together in one part of the facility.

According to a spokesman, the brown bears and wolves never had any problems. Until today.

During play, one of the wolves fell into a small pool. When it tried to get out, it was attacked by a bear. The three other bears immediately joined. Although the other wolves tried to intervene, the wolf was killed. The video (02:38), shot by a visitor, starts with a warning, as it's violent:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o822wdJDqmY

The spokeswoman said the incident, apparently considered as a freak incident, won't result in a new strategy on brown bears and wolves. The article is in Dutch:

https://nos.nl/artikel/2257108-beren-dod...ierlo.html

"The spokeswoman said the incident, apparently considered as a freak incident, won't result in a new strategy on brown bears and wolves. The article is in Dutch:"

Of course, why would they attempt to fix a problem?

The big cat facility I often visited some twenty odd years ago had a very large male brown bear from eastern Europe. I also saw other brown bears later. All of them were moved to other facilities shortly after they had arrived. 

I visited one of these facilities some time later. In that facility grey wolves and brown bears lived in a large enclosure as well. I thought I saw quite a bit of animosity, but they said the combination was, ehhh, 'natural'.
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(10-30-2018, 11:00 PM)peter Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 10:33 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 10:22 PM)peter Wrote: BROWN BEARS KILL WOLF IN DUTCH FACILITY

We have a thread about incidents between humans and captive animals in this section (captive animals), but, apart from the two circus threads, nothing on incidents between animals. For this reason, I decided for this new thread.

The aim of the thread is to collect information about incidents between captive animals in zoos and facilities (not the circus). Incidents in which humans were not involved, that is.

In Europe, apart from zoos, you can find lots of facilities. Most are open to the public. This incident discussed in this post happened in a facility in The Netherlands. I never heard of it before, but it apparently has brown bears and wolves. They live together in one part of the facility.

According to a spokesman, the brown bears and wolves never had any problems. Until today.

During play, one of the wolves fell into a small pool. When it tried to get out, it was attacked by a bear. The three other bears immediately joined. Although the other wolves tried to intervene, the wolf was killed. The video (02:38), shot by a visitor, starts with a warning, as it's violent:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o822wdJDqmY

The spokeswoman said the incident, apparently considered as a freak incident, won't result in a new strategy on brown bears and wolves. The article is in Dutch:

https://nos.nl/artikel/2257108-beren-dod...ierlo.html

"The spokeswoman said the incident, apparently considered as a freak incident, won't result in a new strategy on brown bears and wolves. The article is in Dutch:"

Of course, why would they attempt to fix a problem?

The big cat facility I often visited some twenty odd years ago had a very large male brown bear from eastern Europe. As he never felt quite at home, it was decided to move him to another facility.

A year after he was moved, I visited the facility, also in the Netherlands. In that facility, grey wolves and brown bears lived in a large enclosure as well. I thought I saw a bit of animosity, but they said it was, ehhh, 'natural'.

Natural and Captive are contradictory by definition.
No worker or volunteer would ever want to think they are involved in cruelty so most tend to find a "purpose" in their profession.
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