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Attacks & Accidents in zoos and facilities

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(03-27-2019, 11:34 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Sanju :

About #44: Neither the date, nor the place is indicated. Who is able to believe seriously this fake ? Why not a domestic cat killing a male tiger ?

Yes, typical fake case. It would be good to go through a small check list when seeing this kind of self made videos by some unknown uploaders. Is there clearly country, city and zoo where it has happened. Full date giving year, month and day. Then again there should be found quite a lot of information about it what has happened. This story was written with some effort, but typically, nothing concrete about it, that when and where with details, which could be tracked down. Youtube is quite ok, when there is video footage showing animals in action, but this kind of videos with some photo and vague explanation should put alarm bells ring loud and clear.
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(03-27-2019, 11:34 AM)Spalea Wrote: Why not a domestic cat killing a male tiger ?
Funny @Spalea may be that youtube video is also availably made by lion fans. All of these are fake except one thing venomous snakes can kill mice to blue whale undoubtedly. haha.
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(03-27-2019, 12:21 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(03-27-2019, 11:34 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Sanju :

About #44: Neither the date, nor the place is indicated. Who is able to believe seriously this fake ? Why not a domestic cat killing a male tiger ?

Yes, typical fake case. It would be good to go through a small check list when seeing this kind of self made videos by some unknown uploaders. Is there clearly country, city and zoo where it has happened. Full date giving year, month and day. Then again there should be found quite a lot of information about it what has happened. This story was written with some effort, but typically, nothing concrete about it, that when and where with details, which could be tracked down. Youtube is quite ok, when there is video footage showing animals in action, but this kind of videos with some photo and vague explanation should put alarm bells ring loud and clear.

We are agree. Typical biased fans war. To discredit a big cat, some fans are ready to invent anything. And to respond/retaliate to them some other biased fans are ready to invent anything else concerning an other big cat. Results: youtube becomes a fakefields (analogy with minefields...). We shouldn't give prominence to these fakes...
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(03-27-2019, 12:27 PM)Sanju Wrote:
(03-27-2019, 11:34 AM)Spalea Wrote: Why not a domestic cat killing a male tiger ?
Funny @Spalea may be that youtube video is also availably made by lion fans. All of these are fake except one thing venomous snakes can kill mice to blue whale undoubtedly. haha.

Venom for sure can kill any animal, but I wonder if some animals have just too thick skin to even notice when some sneak breaks fangs while trying to bite Wink
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(03-27-2019, 02:12 PM)Shadow Wrote: Venom for sure can kill any animal, but I wonder if some animals have just too thick skin to even notice when some sneak breaks fangs while trying to bite Wink


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Bitis gabonica has the longest fangs – up to 2.2 inches in length (55 mm) – and the highest venom yield of any snake. Large specimen of exactly 1.8 m (5.9 ft) total length, caught in 1973, was found to have weighed 11.3 kg (25 lb) with an empty stomach.

The snake's cytotoxic venom itself is not considered particularly toxic based on tests conducted in mice. In mice, the LD50 is 0.8–5.0 mg/kg IV, 2.0 mg/kg IP and 5.0–6.0 mg/kg SC. The venom glands are enormous and each bite produces the largest quantities of venom of any venomous snake; this is partially due to the fact that, unlike many African vipers such as the puff adder, the Gaboon viper does not release after a bite, which enables it to inject larger amounts of venom. A venom yield range of 200–1000 mg (of dried venom) from 5 to 9.7 ml (450–2400 mg) of venom may be injected in a single bite. 14 mg of venom would be enough to kill a human being: equivalent to 0.06 ml of venom, or 1/50 to 1/1000 of what can be obtained in a single milking.


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(03-27-2019, 04:44 PM)Sanju Wrote:
(03-27-2019, 02:12 PM)Shadow Wrote: Venom for sure can kill any animal, but I wonder if some animals have just too thick skin to even notice when some sneak breaks fangs while trying to bite Wink


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Bitis gabonica has the longest fangs – up to 2.2 inches in length (55 mm) – and the highest venom yield of any snake. Large specimen of exactly 1.8 m (5.9 ft) total length, caught in 1973, was found to have weighed 11.3 kg (25 lb) with an empty stomach.

The snake's cytotoxic venom itself is not considered particularly toxic based on tests conducted in mice. In mice, the LD50 is 0.8–5.0 mg/kg IV, 2.0 mg/kg IP and 5.0–6.0 mg/kg SC. The venom glands are enormous and each bite produces the largest quantities of venom of any venomous snake; this is partially due to the fact that, unlike many African vipers such as the puff adder, the Gaboon viper does not release after a bite, which enables it to inject larger amounts of venom. A venom yield range of 200–1000 mg (of dried venom) from 5 to 9.7 ml (450–2400 mg) of venom may be injected in a single bite. 14 mg of venom would be enough to kill a human being: equivalent to 0.06 ml of venom, or 1/50 to 1/1000 of what can be obtained in a single milking.


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Yes, that fang can be 5 cm in skeleton, but what is it really when alive, how deep it can bite and has it enough force to penetrate for instance elephant skin? I don´t know if there are cases, where a snake would have killed an elephant or a rhino. That was just a thought crossing my mind :) It might demand some luck for a snake to hit some spot, where skin isn´t so thick, when talking about animals like elephants, rhinos and maybe we could include there hippos too. Those are something else, than antilopes, monkeys and lions and tigers, when looking at what it takes to make a wound for them. This is maybe a wrong thread for that, but maybe here is some other suitable if someone can find some reliable case? :)
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( This post was last modified: 03-27-2019, 05:52 PM by Sanju )

@Shadow those fangs are not blunt sticks. Their fangs are nothing but hollow needles and as sharp as that. You are talking about elephants right.




and Syringe needles can penetrate for injection.

and it don't need to be injected deep into musculature, subcutaneous venom release is enough. Your elephant is doomed.

King cobra fangs = 0.5 inches (8 to 10 millimeters) and It kills elephants. No animal runs into snakes wantedly, snakes camouflage well and may step on them to bite. Only mongooses, meerkats, eagles, birds and badgers are rivals for snakes. Gaboon viper is mismatch for pachyderms.

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/t...te_Ele.htm

Edit: @Shadow Sorry for surly reply friend.

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Elephant deaths contributed to snake bites
http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/t...te_Ele.htm
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(03-27-2019, 05:18 PM)Pckts Wrote: Elephant deaths contributed to snake bites
http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/t...te_Ele.htm

Thanks Pckts. I already provided in the post. :)
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(03-27-2019, 05:18 PM)Pckts Wrote: Elephant deaths contributed to snake bites
http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/t...te_Ele.htm

Nice find :) I had some distant memory about king cobras, that those might be able to do it, but I had never checked if there are cases. Trunk and some other parts are of course more vulnerable than some others in elephant. In those thick skin parts it might be impossible to bite deep enough. But maybe king cobra has enough force to go deep, it is quite big snake after all.
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