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Impressive neck and shoulders on felines

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You mean Garfield aka Haymaker, aka Dalen Cat aka Prime aka "lion boxer autistic head move"?
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Same lion, photo from september 2017 (so over 4.5 yo). His arms are now covered by mane

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ok, one more white tiger, I dont know exact age, 11yo or more...

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Asiatic, I dont know exact age. Btw this lion is from Zoo Prague, but he came directly from Gujaraat (Im not sure, but maybe the only real pure asiatic outside India...or at least in Europe).

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Same lion. I dont know his weight, but his predecessor (also asiatic...but probably not pure) was 178 kg. This one is definitely smaller

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There is nothing more to say. When it comes to muscularity of arms, tigers are rivalled only by jaguars (relatively)...whis is quite logical. Just my opinion

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this lion and his mate killed old white tigress...his arms are not very visible...but...

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Someone could say that I only selected the photos where the lions have weak arms. But I do not think I have pictures of lions on which their strong arms would be well visible. I would probably find my other photos of lions with exposed arms, but I think they would look similar
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(01-21-2018, 04:53 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Someone could say that I only selected the photos where the lions have weak arms. But I do not think I have pictures of lions on which their strong arms would be well visible. I would probably find my other photos of lions with exposed arms, but I think they would look similar



If you scrunch the arm it always looks bigger.  I'm not disagreeing tigers have the stronger arms, I  actually have a  few photos, but captive lions generally have the mane covering most of the arm and all over shoulder, it is the upper parts of their frame where the mane covers that I believe they are stronger, the lower limbs appear to be for endurance, some triceps I think can tie tigers, but on the whole the tiger needs the stronger tricep to flex the forearm.  The lion needs the stronger back muscles and shoulders trapezius to move the humerus, swing the arm.  

Here is an Asiatic lion, I think its sort of semi wild captive not sure, notice the shoulder mass, the muscles over it are more developed, Supraspinatus, omotransversarius, which you can make out on many lions. 


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(01-21-2018, 06:55 AM)Stealthcat Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 04:53 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Someone could say that I only selected the photos where the lions have weak arms. But I do not think I have pictures of lions on which their strong arms would be well visible. I would probably find my other photos of lions with exposed arms, but I think they would look similar



If you scrunch the arm it always looks bigger.  I'm not disagreeing tigers have the stronger arms, I  actually have a  few photos, but captive lions generally have the mane covering most of the arm and all over shoulder, it is the upper parts of their frame where the mane covers that I believe they are stronger, the lower limbs appear to be for endurance, some triceps I think can tie tigers, but on the whole the tiger needs the stronger tricep to flex the forearm.  The lion needs the stronger back muscles and shoulders trapezius to move the humerus, swing the arm.  

Here is an Asiatic lion, I think its sort of semi wild captive not sure, notice the shoulder mass, the muscles over it are more developed, Supraspinatus, omotransversarius, which you can make out on many lions. 


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LOL, why, what is the reason for you to "believe" the that upper for the lion is "stronger"? No reason whatsoever, just retardedness. In your picture the lion isnt too big on the shoulder, its the scapula sticking out, with meat on it, no different from tigers. Most of it is illusions. Why would the lion need to swing the arm? It doesnt make any sense what you are saying, LOL.
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(01-21-2018, 04:27 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Same lion. I dont know his weight, but his predecessor (also asiatic...but probably not pure) was 178 kg. This one is definitely smaller

It's Jamvan. Looks like he's doing well, grew a decent mane... But he's first generation & his sons will grow belly mane.
When was this photo taken?
India has exported asiatic lions to almost 50 foreign zoos since Independence. All of them are pure-bred. The older lion in Praha zoo was also pure...

PS: There is a inter-zoo Asiatic lion breeding program going on in Europe with temporary exchange of lions. Has Prague zoo taken part in it?
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Photos are misleading. For example, in this photo this lion may look like a quite muscular animal, but we know from previous pictures that he has no muscles at all, his arms are bony. Similar to the poor quality photos from Stealthcat (Garfield, Dalen Cat etc). Are those arms really muscular or just bony? Hard to tell, but Im afraid that the arrms of that (presumably young) lion at *114 are rather bony than muscular.

However, all the photos I've given here are mine (with one exception). I have personally seen all these animals. If you go through the internet, you will surely find pictures of really muscular lions (but in my opinion, these are exceptions, typical lion does not look like that).

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Look at Igor. He is a 5 year old amur that weighed 220 kg at that time (today at the age of seven he has 240 kg). He's very slender, he's the most lean tiger I've ever seen. But even this slender tiger still has quite muscular arms.

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Rishi: exactly, its Jamvan. I made the photo in 2017. These are his females (also from Gujaraat). By the way, thank you for the refinement, I did not know. But I still think that there are not many pure Asian lions outside India. For the previous lion (Paris), I'm really not sure whether it was purely Asian, but I say only fragments of what I remember, I can be mistaken. I do not know much about Zoo Prague's breeding programs, but they are probably involved in various internationally coordinated programs.

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Not my photo, but I have seen this amur in persona. Bear like creature

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