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Impressive Females
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Sikandar Mishra
Choti Mada this month, she always looks like such a huge girl.  *This image is copyright of its original author
 *This image is copyright of its original author t4 alisha the tigress that attacked the leopard in nagzira photo by Abhay Wadgire
(04-01-2019, 11:42 PM)Rage2277 Wrote:(09-26-2018, 02:45 PM)Rage2277 Wrote:Fantastic images of Fera walking by one of our Mitsubishis. No arguments from me, with an average of 75Kgs they would be in the upper category of male Leopards with their largest individuals being in the freak Leopard size category for me. 
Impressive females @Rage2277. But I'm not gonna argue about this whole 'jaguar vs leopard' thing, as it is not the right section to do so. My advice is that you check out my posts (#249 & #251) in the 'Size comparisons' thread.
As for more impressive males, all I have to do is pick some males who inhabit the equatorial forests in Central Africa or some Persian males. You know, since they're the biggest subspecies.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Now if you want to discuss with me any further, I suggest you PM me for the sake of this thread.  @Pckts No they're just bigger than most leopard subspecies. Male leopards in Botswana average 70kg for example.
Here's an impressive female with cub, Mount Kenya
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(04-02-2019, 11:29 AM)Luipaard Wrote: Impressive females @Rage2277. But I'm not gonna argue about this whole 'jaguar vs leopard' thing, as it is not the right section to do so. My advice is that you check out my posts (#249 & #251) in the 'Size comparisons' thread. What Botswana weights are you going off of? Also, even at 70kg they'd still be smaller than Pantanal females average. And no disagreements here, Persian most likely are the largest Leopard sub species while there is no proof of equatorial Leopards being categorized there, so any claim is without facts. (04-02-2019, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:(04-02-2019, 11:29 AM)Luipaard Wrote: Impressive females @Rage2277. But I'm not gonna argue about this whole 'jaguar vs leopard' thing, as it is not the right section to do so. My advice is that you check out my posts (#249 & #251) in the 'Size comparisons' thread. The males in the Tuli Predator Project averaged 70.3kg to be more precisely. And of course that's still smaller, but it's closer than some South African males averaging 60kg. We can only speculate yes, but based on skull measurements and camer traps I'm convinced these are the top of all leopards. Literally every single male I've seen from either Congo, Gabon, Cameroon is impressive. That's no coincidence.
Do you have a link to the tuli leopards weights?
You have probably seen 5-10 different rainforest males and all have been via camera trap, it's a completely different ball game when you get first hand video and images so you can actually compare or use scale. Just like the anderson Male was the largest Leopard around, claimed to be in the 90-100kg range but when he accidently confronted a Lioness he was dwarfed. You need scale and multiple images and angles to make educated size guesses unless you get to see them in person you'll never know for sure. (04-02-2019, 05:22 PM)Pckts Wrote: Do you have a link to the tuli leopards weights? "Do you have a link to the tuli leopards weights?" I got it directly from their site http://tulipredatorproject.ning.com, but it seems like it's not available anymore. "Just like the anderson Male was the largest Leopard around, claimed to be in the 90-100kg range but when he accidently confronted a Lioness he was dwarfed" Anderson was dwarfed? Seems like you need to check that encounter again. Here's a better angle: https://www.facebook.com/aliza.schwartzman/videos/10216765012621094/?__tn__=%2Cd*F*F-R&eid=ARCe_GPwDr_3KlWFg_tj6FCVAHAiPUWeC5pQAQbt83luDRax_KubDoNwuoDsKqH4rrkbK_J6cb-cxJ-K&tn-str=*F "You have probably seen 5-10 different rainforest males" For your information, I have seen more than a dozen of individuals, heck I even posted more than '5-10 different rainforest males' in the 'Rainforest leopards' thread. From Congo, Gabon, Cameroon, ... I have seen them all and all have the same characteristics; big skull, very robust and larger than any other leopard from the same continent. I don't need first hand videos to see that. What you need to do, is accept all of this. Stop ignoring the facts. The biggest skulls come from this region alongside the Persian leopards. It's proven so why deny it? It's literally the size of a male Pantanal jaguar, meaning they're in the 90-100kg range. And don't use the 'those are freaks' argument, no, all the large mature males reach those skull measurements. Here's yet another individual with all the characteristics I mentioned before. Crazy how I'm able to show leopard after leopard, knowing that these are the least documented of all leopards.  *This image is copyright of its original author "all have been via camera trap, it's a completely different ball game when you get first hand video and images" And I'm making that argument invalid:  *This image is copyright of its original author "it's a completely different ball game when you get first hand video and images so you can actually compare or use scale." You want a comparison?  *This image is copyright of its original author "You need scale and multiple images and angles to make educated size guesses" Again, using skull measurements isn't an educated size guess? Just check out the 'Rainforest leopards' thread and look at all the individuals. I am not using 'freak' specimens, males being that large and robust is the norm. I'm open for discussion becouse I'm quite confident when it comes to this, but don't ignore or deny everything I say.
So no Tuli Leopard weights.
The Anderson Male was absolutely dwarfed, it's easy to see when you look at the Lioness' head, neck and chest portion compared to the Anderson male, shes much, much larger than him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pwxukOXPNUg Showing a photo of a leopard many meters off which looks small is exactly what I'm speaking about. Pantanal Skulls are much larger than any leopard skulls, do one or 2 freak leopard skulls come close, sure but still are smaller than the average pantanal skull and much smaller when comparing top tier to top tier. Lastly is the scale, numerous things that are noticeable... 1 is the man is hunched over and his foot is lower than the mirror as well. 2 is the location, which is obviously different 3 is the angle of the photos which is obviously different as well. 4 is you dont know the height of the man Even if all things were equal, that Leopard would be no more than upper knee high which is not unusual. So based off camera trap photo's and videos only, which is all you have, in no way do these leopards look larger in frame but the males are robust while the females look normal. We already know that they have 40kg individuals which are small, I'm not saying all are small but its not something to just be swept away. Lastly is that none I've seen are some unique giant, there frame is no different and I've seen just as robust males in e. And s. Africa but ive been able to see many photos and videos or in person to compare while these Leopards have 0 to compare other than hunting photos or camera traps... or the 2 photos taken by camera many meters off. So that being said, you and I will not be agreeing here and that's ok.
Indeed no weights for leopards of the Tuli Predator Project, so I'm making that up... It's also impossible for leopards to reach such averages considering you think Central African leopards are similar to other leopards from different regions. Which is false but I can't help you being ignorant and stubborn.
If you think Anderson was dwarfed there, that's your opinion. Most of the people who've seen the encounter disagree with you, and so do I. Are you kidding me? The photo I've showed, which btw proves I have more than just camera traps, looks like a small leopard? That's just being ignorant right there. How about you zoom in and notice his big skull? And once again you're being ignorant. These leopards, alongside Persian leopards, overlap in size and skull measurements. I never said they were larger, they OVERLAP. The fact that you're thinking it's only '2 freaks' really shows how ignorant you are.  *This image is copyright of its original author So you're not impressed of these leopards and that's fine. The fact that you find other African leopards equal in size, frame and robustness is just laughable. I can keep posting many different leopards where even the mighty Camp Pan in his prime can't match these leopards but what does it matter if you deny everything I show or prove? You're telling me that there are leopards in East or South Africa that match leopards just as this individual. Please prove it. And this isn't a freak, it's just a large male in his prime.  *This image is copyright of its original author You don't have to answer this by the way. We're ruining this thread and to be honest, I grow tired of constantly trying to make a point. But it's like talking to wall. So keep thinking they're just average leopards, I have a different opinion and hopefully, so do others...
people are over exaggerating anderson's size compared with that lioness..he is not in the same league,i'm not sure what they are seeing even claiming she ran from him which is ridiculous and not what happened she went a different route to try and cut him off,though she prob wouldn't be committed to killing him just giving him a couple swats..also the biggest male leopards will still look small next to average lionesses big male jags are a diff case though
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