There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
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A - WHY THIS FORUM WAS STARTED

Our planet is quite something to behold. Although many would agree with this statement, the natural world isn't considered an issue by those elected to represent 'We, the People'. The result is wild country is threatened everywhere.

The balance between humans and other creatures has been lost. In about one century only, many species have disappeared completely. Those that survived, lost over 90% of their numbers in many cases. If we want to preserve what is left, we have to act and we have to do it now.

In order to do this, we need a voice. The problem is 'We, the People' have no opportunity to talk to those responsible for the destruction we see. Those elected to 'represent' us, most unfortunately, also prefer to ignore us. Access has a price, these days.

There are many ways to change this situation. One, perhaps, is to create a forum where we can discuss things omitted in most debates and agenda's.

This forum is about the natural world and those living in the unknown emerald forest. In this forum, they will have a voice. We will speak for them and they will be heard.


B - FORUM RULES

If we want to realize the goal and enable all of those interested to contribute, we need a few rules.

01 - The intention of this forum is to provide good information and to enable good debates. Debates on issues neglected by researchers. In order to get there, we need respect. Respect for good information, good arguments and, last but not least, respect for other members. This means all members involved in a debate have to refrain from anything not accepted in real life as well.

02 - This forum is about good information. What is good information? Good information is reliable, first-hand and authentic information related to the topic discussed. Information collected by researchers and those who have (had) first-hand experience with wild or captive animals. Could be books, articles, short stories, tables and interviews. Anything goes, as long as it is authentic and true.

03 - What are 'good' debates? In a good debate, all participants are enabled to present their views/ideas on a topic without being shot immediately. In order to get there, arguments are needed. Presented in such a way, they can be discussed. This means posts have to be short, to the point and readable .

04 - What is the aim of a debate? The aim is to present all views and ideas and get to a conclusion. A conclusion shared by most. It takes more skill to disagree with some dignity than to agree.

05 - What is not wanted? The forum is on the natural world and those without a voice. This means it isn't about us, humans. Anyone who uses animals to talk about himself is adviced to visit other forums. Same for those interested in fights, (confirmation of) preference, wars and connected.

06 - Moderation in this forum is strict.
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( This post was last modified: 02-11-2015, 05:23 AM by Apollo )

Rules

1) No flame wars, No spamming and trolling. No racial, religious and animal discrimination or abuse. No spreading misinformation and lies.

2) Respect Admins, Moderators and fellow posters all time

3) Admins and Moderators have all rights to make any changes (modify or delete) in the rules, threads and posts anytime.

4) Information source should be reliable. Avoid using unreliable source like Wikipedia .

5) Information should not be copy pasted exactly from other sources. There must be some self written text in your information.

6) Porn/Nudity/ XXX contents are not allowed.

7) Advertising of any products (other forums, blogs etc) is not allowed without prior permission.

8) Mass deletion of his/her posts from any member is not allowed if he/she willing to leave the wildfact forum.

9) Don't only paste the link from sources about information, data, news but also add your text input

10) Images and video must contain the original author copyright information

11) Any other activity which harms the wildfact forum or the fellow members through any means is strictly prohibited.

12) Members shouldnt have more than one account at Wildfact, unless and until its permitted by the Admins and Moderators.
 
13) Breaking any of the above rule may result in warning or permanent ban, even account deletion and IP address bar
 
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( This post was last modified: 03-22-2015, 07:26 PM by peter )

C - ADDITIONS

07 - Participating on a forum isn't easy. Sooner or later, there will be a debate and chances are you could get involved as well. In order to prevent problems, rules were invented. Rules of interaction, that is. As rules often can be explained in more than one way, mods were added to apply them. In the end, rules are decisive and mods always have the last word.

08 - Many, so it seems, assume a debate will end with a conclusion supported by most. This, most unfortunately, is not always the case. In quite many debates, those involved are unable to reach any kind of agreement. For this reason, it is important to learn how to agree to disagree in a respectful way. Disagreement also is a result. Those involved in debates need to be prepared to accept a stalemate. It means the case is undecided. 

09 - Although not many would be prepared to admit it, it is a fact that nearly all of us are preferenced to an extent. Same for those involved in a forum. This means some pigs will be more equal than others and at times it will show in a debate. In this respect, this forum is no different from others. In spite of that, it is important to remember that rules are decisive. This means that even those with a bit more support than others will be subjected to them when things get 'out of hand'. As reality shows that debates often get out of hand, it is important to remember that status doesn't affect decisions in the end. Not on this forum.

10 - In the end, every debate is about respect. Respect for information, respect for other debaters and respect for forum rules. Experience says that most of those involved in information will make a mistake sooner or later. That, however, doesn't mean they can be used to dismiss an entire set of valid statements or a theory. Biologists and zoologists are different from most others participating on a forum in that the documents they produce are peer-reviewed. This means it is more than likely that errors will be discovered by their peers. For this reason, their word on many issues has to be regarded as final.

Nearly every forum seems to have members who do not mind dismissing well-trained, experienced and motivated professionals when it suits them. In many cases, preference or distrust seem to be the driving factors. The owners and mods of this forum want to make it very clear that their creation is not regarded as a platform for those involved in dismissing professionals on a regular basis. 

11 - A debate shouldn't be about opinions, but about facts. You do opinions in the pub. This forum is a platform for those who base ideas on facts. For this reason, everyone participating in a debate is expected to deliver facts. Same for counters in that those who disagree are expected to deliver facts. In the end, facts decide.

12 - On this forum, every member has equal rights and obligations. Not one member can expect to get a room with a view. If he, for whatever reason, isn't able to wear the same clothes as other members, he or she is adviced to move elsewhere. No exceptions.
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I disagree strongly.  Facts are really not debatable as they (once established) stand alone.  Facts are in turn interpreted to create a hypothesis... or an opinion.  Opinions are actually highly debatable and are in fact, the center of the debate itself.  Opinions are then either supported or refuted by facts in the debate process.  IMHO.

 
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I tried to send this to the Mods in a PM but my messanger wouldn't allow it for some reason.
Feel free to remove or place it in a PM if you can but please read it.
Thank you

"Mods, 
I am very unclear on the point of this place?
Its a forum, information is brought here, debated, dissected and discussed.
Yet, when a mod is disagreed with (except Tigerluver) I get a private message.
A mod can be disrespectful and I still get the private message?

Peter sent me a pm sayig a biologist left this forum because of me?
Which "biologist", since I am strictly debating with Gaute?
Vijay left this forum because a different poster and before he did, he specifically mentioned me and how he agreed wtih me. But this other poster Im sure wasn't given the grief I am getting. My goal is to not cast blame elsewhere, but to claim a unnamed biologist left because of me, yet show no proof of it, give no evidence or place where it occurred is wrong. If this biologist was here, where did he post? When? On which thread?
Give me an opportunity to view and defend the so called "incident"

I have brought this forum to many naturalists and biologists. I have good relationships with all of them and I bring proof of it.
I ask the same from you. I also ask for respect, I get in debates but I feel I am respectful, maybe passionate, but respectful. I have debates with Apollo, Tigerluver, Copters, Amnon, Lioness, chaos, siegfried, etc.
Never do I attack their character and in fact, I have been pm'd by most of them about asking questions or warning each other of a threat for instance the "aka Pantherinae/Jubatus issue" or other issues.
I care about this place, I enjoy the images and discussions and the fact that I do so shouldn't be used against me. It should not be used as a threat when I disagree with one of you.

I only encompass all of you because you are all mods, this may or may not apply to you all but I assume these matters are discussed between all.

Sorry for the long message but I am very irked by this. 
Thanks for taking the time"
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( This post was last modified: 03-23-2015, 09:13 AM by peter )

ABOUT THE AIM OF THIS FORUM AND DEBATING  

We started a forum to discuss predators. Forums and debates are close. For this reason, it is important to learn how to debate. You can't start with a Kalashnikov saying you mean well, as the most likely result will be a bazooka in the other corner. After the first exchange, mods need to step in and clean the mess. 

You said you wasn't amused when you was addressed. I understand. But how about turning it round? I didn't join the forum to clean rooms, did I? I want a thriving forum and the only way to get there is members behaving in a way one would want to see in real life as well. Although you contribute, I'm not happy with the number of disputes and neither are the others, including the mod you like best. You can have all the Tigerluvers you want, but they too prefers good debates over Kalashnikovs and cleaning up. 

You are right in that I will always side with the other mods. I know Guate compares to a dragon at times, but he also is my friend and I respect him as a poster. I think he has a point regarding your position on biologists for the reasons mentioned in my previous post in this thread. Same for the other mods. We may seem more interested in the tiger, but when there's trouble ahead we act like the brotherhood. Better remember it. Also remember the advice I offered Wave: you can't expect a room with a view. All members are equal and all are expected to respect forum rules.     


DECISIONS 

1 - The debate on collars has been concluded. Although collars could have been misused in some Indian reserves, there is overwhelming evidence that they contributed to knowledge. The benefits outweigh the disadvantages and tigers profited.

There's also no question biologists mean well. All of them. They are the ones who kept wild tigers alive when it mattered most, not us. I'm not saying their word is final all the time, but they deserve more credit than you are prepared to give them. 

As for collar misuse. You need to understand there is a difference between biologists and park staff. Biologists are not responsible when collars are misused. Collar misuse doesn't mean they smell. It means the device isn't used in the correct way. To dismiss biologists because of collar misuse compares to saying buses ignoring red lights should be destroyed. It is this way of arguing that is not appreciated. This is different from dismissing valid reports and it also is different from shooting messengers.          

2 - If you disagree with biologists, refrain from fundamentalism. In the best possible scenario, reasonable doubt will be the result. More often than not, however, the outcome will be different. This means you need to learn to disagree in a respectful way. When you can't handle it, don't participate.    

Participating isn't about ego's, winning or losing. It is about developing in the right direction and about the next day. How much time do you need to understand that disrespect, even in an indirect way, will hurt your hand?  

3 - I reconsidered my stand, meaning you can continue. The advice is to learn how to disagree without insult first, as this clearly is a problem. Playing the mods isn't going to result in a lot of credit as well. Same for bombing the house of the judge. You can argue all you want, but in the end rules are decisive and they are clear as it gets.

This bloody argument cost me the best part of today and it wasn't the first time. One day, PC, your credit is finished and that will be the end of it. I don't care about a forum with as many members and views as possible. I care about quality only. One reason is experience says this will pay in the end. Another reason is I like to read good posts. The last reason is I don't like to clean rooms every few weeks. It may seem different at times, but I really don't and you know. Don't say I didn't tell you.
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I don't wish to debate the collars anymore, but I like I said in the hands on thread. I have never looked down on a biologist, disagreeing with one item or means of obtaining certain information by no means is meant to disrespect them in any way.
I'm in aw of anybody who gets to work with these cats and I go out of my way to speak with as many as I can and pick their brain. Hopefully that is clear now. 

Moving on....
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Ok, back to big cats. But remember the previous post and the last part in particular.   
 
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"Your board status is currently set to closed"

I discover this message now when I logged onto the homepage of the site...

What does that mean ?
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Site is under some maintenance work.. since it is weekend, I am tweaking the site little bit so plz be patient for 1 or 2 days
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(07-22-2017, 05:33 PM)sanjay Wrote: Site is under some maintenance work.. since it is weekend, I am tweaking the site little bit so plz be patient for 1 or 2 days

No problem @sanjay ! Thank you for the explanations.
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( This post was last modified: 05-15-2018, 11:01 PM by sanjay )

(03-31-2014, 09:13 AM)peter Wrote: A - WHY THIS FORUM WAS STARTED

Our planet is quite something to behold. Although many would agree with this statement, the natural world isn't considered an issue by those elected to represent 'We, the People'. The result is wild country is threatened everywhere.

The balance between humans and other creatures has been lost. In about one century only, many species have disappeared completely. Those that survived, lost over 90% of their numbers in many cases. If we want to preserve what is left, we have to act and we have to do it now.

In order to do this, we need a voice. The problem is 'We, the People' have no opportunity to talk to those responsible for the destruction we see. Those elected to 'represent' us, most unfortunately, also prefer to ignore us. Access has a price, these days.

There are many ways to change this situation. One, perhaps, is to create a forum where we can discuss things omitted in most debates and agenda's.

This forum is about the natural world and those living in the unknown emerald forest. In this forum, they will have a voice. We will speak for them and they will be heard.


B - FORUM RULES

If we want to realize the goal and enable all of those interested to contribute, we need a few rules.

01 - The intention of this forum is to provide good information and to enable good debates. Debates on issues neglected by researchers. In order to get there, we need respect. Respect for good information, good arguments and, last but not least, respect for other members. This means all members involved in a debate have to refrain from anything not accepted in real life as well.

02 - This forum is about good information. What is good information? Good information is reliable, first-hand and authentic information related to the topic discussed. Information collected by researchers and those who have (had) first-hand experience with wild or captive animals. Could be books, articles, short stories, tables and interviews. Anything goes, as long as it is authentic and true.

03 - What are 'good' debates? In a good debate, all participants are enabled to present their views/ideas on a topic without being shot immediately. In order to get there, arguments are needed. Presented in such a way, they can be discussed. This means posts have to be short, to the point and readable .

04 - What is the aim of a debate? The aim is to present all views and ideas and get to a conclusion. A conclusion shared by most. It takes more skill to disagree with some dignity than to agree.

05 - What is not wanted? The forum is on the natural world and those without a voice. This means it isn't about us, humans. Anyone who uses animals to talk about himself is adviced to visit other forums. Same for those interested in fights, (confirmation of) preference, wars and connected.

06 - Moderation in this forum is strict.

Hello, We are a new Lion Store called Den of Leos! We were wondering if we could advertise on your forum. Part of the proceeds will go to WWF and Lion Aid Foundation. Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.Den of Leos
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( This post was last modified: 05-15-2018, 11:01 PM by sanjay Edit Reason: corrected the formating )

(05-13-2018, 04:49 AM)richard313 Wrote:
(03-31-2014, 09:13 AM)peter Wrote: A - WHY THIS FORUM WAS STARTED

Our planet is quite something to behold. Although many would agree with this statement, the natural world isn't considered an issue by those elected to represent 'We, the People'. The result is wild country is threatened everywhere.

The balance between humans and other creatures has been lost. In about one century only, many species have disappeared completely. Those that survived, lost over 90% of their numbers in many cases. If we want to preserve what is left, we have to act and we have to do it now.

In order to do this, we need a voice. The problem is 'We, the People' have no opportunity to talk to those responsible for the destruction we see. Those elected to 'represent' us, most unfortunately, also prefer to ignore us. Access has a price, these days.

There are many ways to change this situation. One, perhaps, is to create a forum where we can discuss things omitted in most debates and agenda's.

This forum is about the natural world and those living in the unknown emerald forest. In this forum, they will have a voice. We will speak for them and they will be heard.


B - FORUM RULES

If we want to realize the goal and enable all of those interested to contribute, we need a few rules.

01 - The intention of this forum is to provide good information and to enable good debates. Debates on issues neglected by researchers. In order to get there, we need respect. Respect for good information, good arguments and, last but not least, respect for other members. This means all members involved in a debate have to refrain from anything not accepted in real life as well.

02 - This forum is about good information. What is good information? Good information is reliable, first-hand and authentic information related to the topic discussed. Information collected by researchers and those who have (had) first-hand experience with wild or captive animals. Could be books, articles, short stories, tables and interviews. Anything goes, as long as it is authentic and true.

03 - What are 'good' debates? In a good debate, all participants are enabled to present their views/ideas on a topic without being shot immediately. In order to get there, arguments are needed. Presented in such a way, they can be discussed. This means posts have to be short, to the point and readable .

04 - What is the aim of a debate? The aim is to present all views and ideas and get to a conclusion. A conclusion shared by most. It takes more skill to disagree with some dignity than to agree.

05 - What is not wanted? The forum is on the natural world and those without a voice. This means it isn't about us, humans. Anyone who uses animals to talk about himself is adviced to visit other forums. Same for those interested in fights, (confirmation of) preference, wars and connected.

06 - Moderation in this forum is strict.

Hello, We are a new Lion Store called Den of Leos! We were wondering if we could advertise on your forum. Part of the proceeds will go to WWF and Lion Aid Foundation. Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.Den of Leos

RICHARD313

Welcome to the forum. As to the question: contact Sanjay.
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Hello @richard313
Welcome to the forum, I have sent you PM
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