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Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts
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Felids Interactions - Intraspecific Conflicts
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Anil Kumbal
I had a once in a lifetime sighting of Maya the tigress in #Tadoba, who was protecting her territory from another tigress. The sequence of pictures shared depicts the ferocious chase that culminated in a fight and a civilised way of asking the intruder to leave her territory. #WildlifeWednesday #sonyalpha #sonyalphaindia  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
 (11-27-2019, 09:52 PM)Pckts Wrote: Anil Kumbal Great photos!! I like especially the ones where these tigers run, beautiful animals and both are looking to be in great shape! (11-27-2019, 10:14 PM)Shadow Wrote:(11-27-2019, 09:52 PM)Pckts Wrote: Anil Kumbal I've heard nothing but amazing reviews for the new Sony Alpha Cameras and all the photos I've seen from them have been 2nd to none. They're just really pricey but well worth it if that is your passion. 
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Lion Fight, from 2011: Lions may be famed for their majestic beauty, but things turned ugly when these two big cats fought over the attention of one lioness. In scenes that you're more likely to see outside a pub on a Saturday night, the lions stunned tourists, travelling in the Masai Mara national park in Kenya, by scrapping with each other. As one lion noticed the other eyeing up his mate, he lunged, roared and swung at his competitor - and all the while the lioness causally strolled on while the men claw and bite chunks out of each other. The fight lasted more than 10 minutes and the challenger was put in his place, retreating with his tail between his legs, while the stronger lion returned to his mate. Photographer Olga Kirillova was amazed when she spotted the drama unfolding and managed to capture the whole fight on her camera. The 25-year-old Russian bank worker said: 'We were driving through the park hoping to spot some wildlife when we saw the lion and the lioness in the bushes near the road. 'We started to photograph them when I noticed another lion in the distance. 'He wandered over to the couple and clearly had his eye on the lioness.' Miss Kirillova continued: 'But the first lion just flew at him - they were rolling around on the ground so close to our cars - it was quite frightening, but incredible to see.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author 'They were fighting for at least 10 minutes, and they drew blood - we could see blood on the first lion's teeth. 'We were all quite taken aback by the fight - but the lioness was absolutely calm. 'She didn't pay much attention to the fight - she seemed sure that her lion would win.' Miss Kirllova added: 'Eventually, the second lion retreated to the side of the road - it looked like he was rolling around in pain. 'He was completely put to shame by the first lion - and gave up and ran off. 'The first lion chased him for a while, before returning to his mate. 'The pair of them then walked away, together, in the opposite direction. 'It was an amazing thing to have experienced.'  *This image is copyright of its original author [/quote] here is the video of this fight (i think) start at 5:43 https://youtu.be/7sWWLatBhrg?t=343 
Male lions fighting for a territory at the Kruger Park... Intervention of Kavin Richardson at around the middle of this video.
Real Wild: " Two older lions are chased out their pride as these younger lions replace them. "  -Territory Disputes among Tigers Male tigers are generally more intolerant of other males within their territories than females are of other females. Territory disputes are usually solved by displays of intimidation rather than outright aggression. Several such incidents have been observed in which the subordinate tiger yielded defeat by rolling onto its back and showing its belly in a submissive posture. Once dominance has been established, a male may tolerate a subordinate within his range, as long as they do not live in too close quarters. One such incident has been observed at Pench National Park by our Guests during our recent trip. November 2019. 
It’s a misconception that just can’t be corrected @Rishi, no matter how much you try. Even the recent fight between T57 and T58 of Ranthambore showed tiger fighting on his back and getting all his claws involved to outmanoeuvre his opponent and he eventually came off better in the fight.
(11-29-2019, 10:08 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: It’s a misconception that just can’t be corrected @Rishi, no matter how much you try. Even the recent fight between T57 and T58 of Ranthambore showed tiger fighting on his back and getting all his claws involved to outmanoeuvre his opponent and he eventually came off better in the fight. This is what submissions looks like in felids... except in some big-cats it's also the "standoff" posture. Choti Tara's subadult male cub & Maya confortation at Tadoba. November 2018. ©Safariwale[/url https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story...0016934808 (11-29-2019, 10:25 AM)Rishi Wrote:(11-29-2019, 10:08 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: It’s a misconception that just can’t be corrected @Rishi, no matter how much you try. Even the recent fight between T57 and T58 of Ranthambore showed tiger fighting on his back and getting all his claws involved to outmanoeuvre his opponent and he eventually came off better in the fight. All animals have various ways to show, that they submit. Not just some certain posture or voice for instance. It´s also about overall attitude and little gestures. The one feeling weaker can show submission while standing, sitting or rolling on back etc. Rolling on back can happen because changing position to continue fighting, but it can also happen because trying to submit. Then again it can be, that even though the one rolling back tries to submit, other one is too enraged and continues to attack forcing other one to fight for his/hers life, no matter what. Every fight is a different one, these are wild animals, not some machines. That means, that the one showing first submission can actually win the fight, when forced to continue and situation changes from threatening to desperate. People who have animals know, that animals have many ways to show signs of their mood. Learning those is the thing when training them. Rolling on back is one common way to show submission. (11-29-2019, 11:23 AM)Shadow Wrote:(11-29-2019, 10:25 AM)Rishi Wrote:(11-29-2019, 10:08 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: It’s a misconception that just can’t be corrected @Rishi, no matter how much you try. Even the recent fight between T57 and T58 of Ranthambore showed tiger fighting on his back and getting all his claws involved to outmanoeuvre his opponent and he eventually came off better in the fight. Ofcourse it's more complex than to be explained in a single sentence... But this is how I read them. (Using mostly tiger footages for convenience of comparison.) "The crounch" for example, often done for holding ground in standoff & not always very meekly. Like my above example it often ends the face off with no physical contact. "The bow" I noted is often similar but less submissive. In a fight usually an offering of respite, reciprocated by both parties. Tigers are high-strung, jumpy animals & I remember cases where another vicious bout broke out because one party didn't reciprocate the bow. But when one side shifts from bow to crounch, it's always submission. Still as I said, in housecats for example, presenting belly is more of a show of trust. Panthera genus cats also do that sometimes, but mostly females during mating or siblings, so the same may apply. "The rolling-over" otherwise is very much defensive & often really aggressive. However NEVER have I ever seen a SINGLE case of them submitting by rolling over, when there's no chance of physical confrontation. It's always defensive & quite amazingly effective how much smaller individuals can beat back larger ones by that. A submissive cat will never expose just its belly to its foe, leaving upon the dominant one to take the clue & spare it... it'll put its 20 claws in between, which is oftentimes deterrence enough for the aggressor to hesitate & hold back. I'm sure many leopards will agree with me on that one. (11-29-2019, 02:44 PM)Rishi Wrote: ...I remember cases where another vicious bout broke out because one party didn't reciprocate the bow. Found one (Ignore the title. The rider trying to back off bowed & when the other one raised its head instead, it lashed out.) Also I don't think fully dominant ones reciprocate, like Arrowhead dominates Lightening here, but only when they are more evenly matched. . (11-29-2019, 02:44 PM)Rishi Wrote:(11-29-2019, 11:23 AM)Shadow Wrote:(11-29-2019, 10:25 AM)Rishi Wrote:(11-29-2019, 10:08 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: It’s a misconception that just can’t be corrected @Rishi, no matter how much you try. Even the recent fight between T57 and T58 of Ranthambore showed tiger fighting on his back and getting all his claws involved to outmanoeuvre his opponent and he eventually came off better in the fight. My main point was to remind about overall situation and little gestures. Rolling on back can be submissive thing even when keeping 20 claws in between just in case. It´s one thing to submit, another one to make kind of suicide and lay flat there waiting to be bitten. These things are complex and some people like to see (not you) in very black and white. Certain posture is only way to show submission and some other isn´t. With animals things are never that simple. Big cats as all animals are very interesting to watch and try to understand what they are doing. Sometimes submissive behavior ends fight or prevents it even to happen. Sometimes nothing is enough, when opponent is determined to "teach a lesson" or kill, no matter what. Many times quite small gestures of submission are enough when two big cats meet. That´s one of those things making these animals so fascinating, there isn´t just one and only thing how they show their mood. (11-29-2019, 11:23 AM)Shadow Wrote:(11-29-2019, 10:25 AM)Rishi Wrote:(11-29-2019, 10:08 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: It’s a misconception that just can’t be corrected @Rishi, no matter how much you try. Even the recent fight between T57 and T58 of Ranthambore showed tiger fighting on his back and getting all his claws involved to outmanoeuvre his opponent and he eventually came off better in the fight. I think you are onto something. I looked up 'how do tigers submit' and I found this source, from what its looks to be a biologist: "..Leyhausen also indicated that aggression in felids is more regulated by effective defenses than responsive to the submission signals that are quite effective in reducing intra-group fighting in many canid species, such as wolves and dogs.. By selecting animals and arranging situations, Leyhausen was able to polarize attack and defensive behaviors in domesticated cat subjects, or, alternatively, to maximize attack motivations for both combatants. In a highly polarized attack-defend situation, the attacker stands tall and advances directly toward the victim while emitting low growls. The defending animal crouches down, or, with a mixture of aggressive and fearful motives, may assume the classic “Halloween cat” stance with arched back, and erected hairs. As the attacker approaches contact, the defending animal may assume a contorted posture, half on its back but facing the other cat, enabling both fore- and hindpaws to be drawn up and opposed to the oncoming attacker. This stance conceals the nape, the major target site for intraspecific offensive attack.. However, when both animals are highly motivated to attack, a frontal approach is typically utilized by both, resulting in animals facing each other and delivering forepaw blows largely toward the head and neck of the other." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2814555/ |
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