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Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts
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 (08-22-2018, 11:17 AM)Shir Babr Wrote:(08-16-2018, 01:15 AM)AlexE Wrote:(08-16-2018, 12:54 AM)Pckts Wrote: Hyena are predators as well, very capable ones in fact. They are also renowned and highly effective scavengers. https://www.africa-wildlife-detective.com/hyena.html Vultures and hyenas are TOP1 scavengers
Two lionesses (or young male lion) vs large clan of hyenas 3:00
Male lion defeated all hyenas Male lion vs vs large clan of hyenas Video: https://vimeo.com/56952913 HYENAS SURROUND LION: Filmed at the Porini Amboseli Camp in the Selenkey Conservancy this clip shows a young male lion feeding on an old wildebeest carcass. He is surrounded by many hyenas waiting for their opportunity to claim the carcass when he leaves. See and hear their excitement as he walks away. 
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With the Anderson male now going through the final stages of the recovery process of his left eye, one would hope he would stay out of trouble for awhile. Instead, he was involved in a spat with his main rival – the Flat Rock male – and in the process, narrowly avoided meeting his death under the claws of the Tsalala Lioness. In fact both male leopards nearly got taken out by her. Ranger Sean Zeederberg was there that day and takes us through the sighting Ranger Bruce Arnott had seen a leopard dragging a kill into the river the evening before but was unable to follow through the rocks, and lost sight of it. The next morning ranger Greg Pingo went back into the area, and after some very technical driving managed to get to the spot where the kill was, and there he found both the Flat Rock and Anderson male leopards, not too far from away from each other and growling constantly. Hearing about this sighting, I decided to take my guests there that afternoon, and driving into the river, we spotted some vultures sitting in a tree, which pointed out where the kill was from a long way off. As we arrived, we were surprised to find not the leopards but the lone Tsalala lioness feeding on the carcass, which she had clearly robbed from the two males. We watched her feed for awhile and then heard some growling coming from not too far upstream. We presumed it was the leopards, so we sat and waited to see what would happen. Sure enough, after about 15 minutes the Flat Rock male appeared and began moving closer to where the lioness was. I didn’t want to move the vehicle, as any sound might have impacted the leopard’s ability to maybe hear the lioness feeding. Our hearts were pounding as he approached, and he must have been within a metre of her before she came at him. Leopards have lightning reflexes, and it was only this that saved him as he immediately twisted to the side, ducking her paws and running for his life. He escaped unscathed and the lioness simply stood there, breathing heavily.[/size] [size=medium]Not wanting to be too close in case the Anderson male also returned to the site of the carcass, I reversed the car, and none too soon, for just as the lioness lay down to rest, the Anderson male came through the reeds. Leopards have incredible agility, and their instant reflexes, acceleration and ability to twist themselves out of harm’s way saved both the Anderson and Flat Rock males from being the next in a series of leopards that have been killed by lions on or around Londolozi in the last couple of years. A leopard who took advantage of the death of the 4:4 male in 2016 to grab territory to the west of the Londolozi camps. Unofficially the biggest leopard in the Sabi Sands, the Anderson male is an absolutely enormous individual in north western Londolozi. I know many people see how big the Anderson male is and assume that he can take on a lioness, but he can’t, so let’s lay that to rest. One-on-one he would be no match for an adult lion as he would simply be overwhelmed and out-muscled. But his size most likely counted in his favour here, as he would be a slightly more difficult prospect to tackle than, say, the Nkoveni female, who is probably less than half his size. The moment’s hesitation on the part of the Tsalala female that the Anderson male’s bulk may have bought him could have been the difference between life and death. One can see in the slow-motion section of the video how the lioness instinctively ducks as she anticipates a swipe from the leopard. He rears up and spreads his paws wide, ostensibly to slash at her, but mainly to make himself look as big as possible. Luckily his tactic worked, as one can clearly see how the lioness shies away at the crucial moment. The leopards had both moved off and we could hear them growling at each other once more, their respective brushes with death apparently not having fazed them. Since the lioness was lying in the reedbed and we couldn’t really see her, we decided it would be a better option to follow the two leopards, who would growl at each other, presenting laterally to show each other how big they both were, then lie down again before repeating the whole procedure. They were out on the rocks for some of the sighting, and to have two big males side by side like that was spectacular! Leopards in general are conflict averse. Being solitary animals they are hesitant to engage in physical confrontations unless absolutely necessary, as an injury that impacts their hunting abilities may prove fatal. Given the close call that both males had had only minutes before, I imagine a show of bravado was all they were prepared to commit to that afternoon. The Sand River has long acted as the grey area between the territories of these two rivals, and the whole interaction was yet another incident between them (most of which we never see), in which they were simply reestablishing where that line separating their respective territories lies… Video filmed by Tracker Joy Mathebula
Many people think that adult hyena never been killed by leopard. Even two hyenas were killed by leopard.
Paris, June 24.—In the St. Louis Hospital this morning Dr. Clement Roeland, a noted surgeon, sewed up the more than half severed tail of a monster leopard in the Neuilly menageries. The leopard had been in battle, with two hyenas, killing both, but the female hyena before the end came to her managed to bite through the leopard's tail in the centre. The big cat was lied down on an operating table, securely muzzled and the operation was made without the use of anaesthetics. The tail was stitched with thin platinum wire, the bones co-related and the injured section then put in a plaster of Paris cast, beneath which, it is said, the bone and tissue eventually will unite. Dr. Roeland, who has admiration for wild animals, has before this operated on a Nubian lion and has given curative electric treatment to a panther. Female leopard almost kills huge hyena I think hyena was killed (no continuation)  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
 
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 (08-17-2018, 01:07 AM)Pckts Wrote: Kanwar Deep Juneja most likely the leopard escapes, it's already notice dthe lioness presence and has started running, even if the lioness gets up to the leopard and if it was only one lioness involved i think theis leopard defended successfully, the thing is the bigger animal-lioness here fight with only front paws being top, the leopard being a smaller animal fights on all four using it's legs as well so can defend pretty well. So in my view most of the time its power-wise lioness, weapon wise leopard.   (08-28-2018, 08:18 PM)AlexE Wrote:(08-27-2018, 02:52 AM)peter Wrote: ALEX If it's a genuine account, it's not removed as to "not upset hyena fans," it has a real source. Also, a menagerie is nothing more than a collection of captive animals, a far cry from a wild occurrence. The 2nd account is what I'm curious about, you wrote that a female leopard almost killed a large hyena and that you also think the Leopard killed the Hyena, I doubt that it's anything more than the Leopard chasing off a Hyena with a quick skirmish, I'd love a link to that account over the menagerie account tbh, I prefer wild interactions since nature doesn't exaggerate the way circus, zoo or sanctuary accounts tend to at times. (08-28-2018, 08:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:(08-28-2018, 08:18 PM)AlexE Wrote:(08-27-2018, 02:52 AM)peter Wrote: ALEX You're wrong. Tell your friends about it. (08-28-2018, 08:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:(08-28-2018, 08:18 PM)AlexE Wrote:(08-27-2018, 02:52 AM)peter Wrote: ALEX It was a real fight. You can't distinguish between real fight and confrontation / adult and young. You are lucky that english is your native language. I can't normally argue with you. (08-28-2018, 09:34 PM)AlexE Wrote:A source would clarify any language barrier, those images had to have came from somewhere, so I have little doubt that a source isn't out there, obviously if the images are posted from someones photo bucket than it's hearsay but if it's actually from verified account, there will no doubt be a story and more images behind the photos.(08-28-2018, 08:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:(08-28-2018, 08:18 PM)AlexE Wrote:(08-27-2018, 02:52 AM)peter Wrote: ALEX (08-28-2018, 09:41 PM)Pckts Wrote:(08-28-2018, 09:34 PM)AlexE Wrote:A source would clarify any language barrier, those images had to have came from somewhere, so I have little doubt that a source isn't out there, obviously if the images are posted from someones photo bucket than it's hearsay but if it's actually from verified account, there will no doubt be a story and more images behind the photos.(08-28-2018, 08:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:(08-28-2018, 08:18 PM)AlexE Wrote:(08-27-2018, 02:52 AM)peter Wrote: ALEX Google will help you. Only your fakes are "true"... Scavengers (There is no blood) and real murderers (There is blood)  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
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@AlexE
"Google will help you. Only your fakes are "true"..." Burden of proof is on you my friend, you posted that account and made a claim/opinion. My "fakes" aren't fakes but either opinions based off of my first hand experience or accounts with links attached. I'm fairly confident that most here know that I'm not presenting accounts without the links and due credit given to the person deserving of it. Why the Hyenas are Alone  *This image is copyright of its original author James Tyrrell (May 3, 2017) I thought I’d write this just to clear up some of the relationships between the dominant predators here at Londolozi. Whilst spotted hyena versus lion conflict is widely documented across Africa, the reality is that different areas and ecosystems vary in both the numbers of the top predators they sustain, as well as the way in which those predators interact with each other. The commonly held belief is that hyenas travel in packs all the time and are constantly battling lions for the kills the lions have made. This is certainly true in some parts of Africa – although still dependant on fluctuation predator populations – but at Londolozi, the behaviour of the hyenas in particular is not of the type generally seen on the Discovery channel.  *This image is copyright of its original author Adult hyenas across Africa adopt different strategies to successfully obtain food. When not at a den-site, hyenas are most likely to be viewed singly here. It is a common question from guests, when viewing a hyena loping along by itself, “Don’t they move in packs?”, but for the hyenas, that would be less than efficient, and the primary reason is the number of leopards on Londolozi. Let’s look at this a bit more closely. For hyenas to compete with lions over a kill, they need to outnumber them significantly. A common number thrown out is four hyenas needed for every lioness; more if a big male lion is present. Where that number came from I can’t say for sure, although it sounds like a reasonable figure upon which to base the debate. Far more factors are at play than just a simple numbers game, but for arguments sake, lets take the 4:1 ratio as gospel. Say, then, the Ntsevu Pride killed a buffalo in concert with Matshipiri males. Looking solely at the numbers, you’d need in excess of 30 hyenas to drive the lions away from their kill. Having done so, the clan would then need to share those spoils between thirty of them. There more than likely wouldn’t be quite enough food to go around, and the chances are high that at least some of the clan would be injured in the brawl, possibly even killed.  *This image is copyright of its original author Serious lion-hyena interaction is not often witnessed on Londolozi. The hyena population finds it prudent to look for food elsewhere, rather than trying to drive lions off their kills. Photograph by James Tyrrell So the main factors that count against hyenas taking on lions are: a) They need big numbers. b) It’s dangerous. c) They’ll have to share if they manage to commandeer the kill. All of the above are very valid arguments why it might just be easier for hyenas to look elsewhere for their food if they don’t necessarily have to take on a pride, and fortunately at Londolozi, that elsewhere comes largely in the form of the local leopard population.  *This image is copyright of its original author The Mashaba female snarls angrily at a marauding hyena that had just stolen the remains of her kill, but she stops short of physically attacking it. Photograph by Amy Attenborough. Leopards, as many people are aware, are solitary predators, relying entirely upon themselves to hunt and obtain food. With no pride to rely on, it stands to reason that any serious injury sustained by one of these cats that hampered its hunting efforts could endanger its life. Leopards are therefore notoriously conflict-averse, preferring to avoid direct physical contact in stand-offs with each other, but in particular with larger and stronger predators like hyenas.  *This image is copyright of its original author A hyena drags the remains of an impala kill back to its den to feed its cubs. The hyena had in fact killed this impala itself! Photograph by James Tyrrell. When it comes to defending a kill, a leopard will back off over 90% of the time when a hyena is rushing in to claim it, knowing that it is far better to seek out another meal than attempt to fight the hyena away and potentially get hurt. That other 10% is dependent on a number of factors; size of leopard, hunger of leopard, size of hyena etc. One can make a number of predictions based on prior observations but it’s always hard to say with 100% certainty what’s going to happen. I remember watching the old Camp Pan male leopard defend a kudu bull carcass against three huge hyenas. The leopard was long past his prime and in serious need of a meal. He happened upon the kudu bull (who we believe was killed by another male), and considered it worth the risk to try and drive the hyenas away, as he desperately needed some sustenance. He managed it for a while, but the whoops of the clan summoned more individuals, and when they outnumbered the leopard five to one he eventually had to concede defeat and move off.  *This image is copyright of its original author Although the den-site forms the foundation of a hyena clan, with numerous adult females and cubs inhabiting it, adults still head off in different directions to forage as individuals come nightfall. Knowing how leopards will generally surrender their kills, hyenas find it most profitable to forage as individuals, because if they happen to come across a leopard with an unhoisted carcass, they will more than likely be able to appropriate it for themselves without too much danger, and they won’t have to share it when they do. Although multiple hyenas will sometimes converge on the same leopard kill, attracted by the smell, they generally set out for the evening patrol as individuals, which is how we usually encounter them. Hyena clans are tightly bound social units, demarcating and defending territories much like lion prides. When it comes to finding food on Londolozi however, it’s far better for the hyenas to go it alone. http://blog.londolozi.com/2017/05/03/why...are-alone/ |
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