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Dholes (Cuon alpinus)
Dholes (Cuon alpinus)
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Dholes (Cuon alpinus)
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 (01-24-2019, 04:48 PM)Rishi Wrote:(01-24-2019, 06:07 AM)smedz Wrote: Me personally, I don't believe packs of dholes attack and kill healthy adult tigers, especially since we don't have any physical evidence to support it. However, what if the tigers in those stories were sick or seriously wounded animals, and hunters just changed them to make the encounters sound more epic. Just a thought. Cub is there and it flees at 0:14 to that pile of wood/branches and one wild dog is following, but impossible to say if that cub got a safe place there or not. But I didn´t see it dragged at any point, so it might be still inside of that "fortress" in the end of this recording.   (01-24-2019, 05:52 PM)Sanju Wrote: What's the biggest hunt by Red dog Pack "recorded" with respect to Prey mass??? I would of said a Sambar or Nilgai but @Rishi recently posted images off a young Bull Gaur running of a whole pack then quickly had the tables turned, had it not been for the rest of the herd coming in to help that Gaur may have been in deep trouble. At least that is what the account mentioned and if that's the case then I'd say it's very likely they are able to hunt adult Gaur as well if the pack size is right. But to my knowledge, that's the first anyone has seen of an attempt on a adult Gaur by Dholes, they certainly go after youngsters though. (01-24-2019, 04:48 PM)Rishi Wrote:(01-24-2019, 06:07 AM)smedz Wrote: Me personally, I don't believe packs of dholes attack and kill healthy adult tigers, especially since we don't have any physical evidence to support it. However, what if the tigers in those stories were sick or seriously wounded animals, and hunters just changed them to make the encounters sound more epic. Just a thought. Oh, that cub flees again at 0:39, some dogs after it.... maybe it made it maybe not... And now of course in that description of video it was told that it fled to safety. I actually believe it because those dogs came back to lioness instead going after that cub. if some dog would have got it, for sure there would have been more going there to eat it behind that bush where it fled.
@Pckts I think Dhole "Clan" frequently live in 5 to 6 but there are incidents with 40 membered clan were also recorded. The social structure is similar to its extant relative Painted Dog "Pack" which can upto 100's like in South Africa's during Game migratory seasons. Though this canid is larger in proportions but hunting technique is same with its Asian counterpart.
So why do you think these dogs occasionally can hunt big game like Cape buffalo (adults very rare but still), Ostrich, Zebra and Wildebeest? But why can't the biggest terror of the Jungle "The Dhole" which tiger too fear sometimes can't hunt big game like buffalo? Any explanation why Serows are the only ungulate species effective against falling prey to dhole???
@Sanju
As often as Awd hunt capes is probably the equivalent to Dholes hunting Gaur, Water Buffalo or Banteg, Neither hunts large bovine often. But if the numbers were skewed in the AWD's direction you could say it has do with the low frequency in which dhole and large bovine live together in meaningful numbers. And while Dhole pack size can be high at times, more often they are smaller than AWD's pack size which means they'll hunt smaller prey with less mouth's to feed. But lastly is the comparative prey biomass they have at their disposal, Cape numbers are very high and their herds can be absolutely massive, not so with Gaur. Add to that the terrain of the East/South Africa compared to the Jungles of India, it's very different. Viewing things in Africa is far easier than India, you safari in Africa and you almost get bored with the amount of large herbivores you see while India, you cherish any sighting because they are more rare and fleeting. Animals that are there one minute slip off into the endless camouflage of the trees the next. (01-24-2019, 04:48 PM)Rishi Wrote:I can see the cub. But I really don't think there's any advantage in sacrificing several members in a pack to kill something. But quick question, how do I link a scientific study on here?(01-24-2019, 06:07 AM)smedz Wrote: Me personally, I don't believe packs of dholes attack and kill healthy adult tigers, especially since we don't have any physical evidence to support it. However, what if the tigers in those stories were sick or seriously wounded animals, and hunters just changed them to make the encounters sound more epic. Just a thought.  (01-24-2019, 06:31 PM)Sanju Wrote: But why can't the biggest terror of the Jungle "The Dhole" which tiger too fear sometimes can't hunt big game like buffalo? Serow aren't ungulates, you know... Anyways larger packs packs prefer sambars which are larger than the usual serow or takin. ©Pinal Patel And Shaurya Shukla Source: Sanctuary Asia A pack of 22 dholes implement a foolproof plan to subdue adult sambar stag at Nagzira Wildlife Sanctuary.  *This image is copyright of its original author ©Balaji Raghunandan Annamalai Tiger Reserve  *This image is copyright of its original author Unfortunately today they don't exist in most parts with Nilgai. Cheetals, pigs are for smaller packs, ±5 adults. Source: saevus.in  *This image is copyright of its original author ©Nick Garbutt Pench Tiger Reserve.  *This image is copyright of its original author Largest they have been known to do are gaurs. They prefer to go for the calves & adolescents naturally. Kalakkad Mundanthurai Tiger Reserve. https://www.dailythanthi.com/Districts/C...s-dogs.vpf  *This image is copyright of its original author I once came across an image of dholes try to take down an adult, bull gaur. But the damned thing is cropped!!!  *This image is copyright of its original author If any of you manage to find the whole original image then share it. http://www.newindianexpress.com/lifestyl...15932.html I have serious doubt that they can go bigger than gaurs. They already hunt prey the size of tigers' . But today's dhole-packs simply aren't large enough to take them on, nor have any reason to try so. ©Raghupathi K.V.  *This image is copyright of its original author (No, although 20-25-30+ packs are far more common these days & the usual size up to between 10-20, but 40 strong packs still haven't been recorded anytime recently.) (01-20-2019, 10:50 AM)Wolverine Wrote: So, @Jimmy what actually is going on in this video. Its clear that dholes don't "hunt" the tiger. But nevertheless its clear its going something amazing. In seconds 42-49 is clearly visible how 2 dogs approach the tiger from behind. Feeling this, tiger turn around sharply face to face with the dogs and they run back. But if tiger didn't turn around probably the dholes would bite him on hind legs... This a classical case of harassment and intimidation, while the purpose of this behavior is not very clear. Honestly, that tiger didn't look that intimidated to me. Sure it turned to face the dholes, but it seemed to be more like "buzz off" rather than a fight.
This gaur has been attacked by a pack of wild dogs (Dhole). It obviously got away, but the gaur is left wounded and the dogs hungry.
https://www.jungledragon.com/image/26719...ality.html  *This image is copyright of its original author Dhole pack trying to bring down an adolescent separated away from its pack. http://www.indianaturewatch.net/  *This image is copyright of its original author A dhole leader weighs its chances against the bull gaur challenging his pack, beside reservoir of Periyar Tiger Reserve, Kerala. tripadvisor.com  *This image is copyright of its original author 23rd December 2012, the staff of the Tamil Nadu Forest Department found a dead young adult gaur on the boundary of the Anamalai Tiger Reserve in a tea plantation. Curious to see what would happen if the carcass was left to nature, a camera-trap was set until 7th January 2013. Full story: http://thepapyrus.in/index.php/the-gaur-...gourmands/  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
(01-25-2019, 11:11 AM)Sanju Wrote: @Rishi What about water buffaloes? Did you find any info regarding attacks on buffaloes??? Unlike central or south India, their number in north/east is still recovering... Water-buffalo (& rhino) too are present in good numbers at only a handful of reserves. (01-25-2019, 11:40 AM)Sanju Wrote: @Rishi Almost all species are near extinct in almost all of Southeast Asia... Dholes in those parts don't form packs larger than half a dozen.  (01-25-2019, 11:40 AM)Sanju Wrote: @RishiThe second map is somewhat misleading, there are no wild buffaloes in Bangladesh and north of Pakistan, also the central Indian region shows huge territory but buffaloes there are too few less than 40, the majority of buffaloes only live in Assam region, just a few some 50 individuals may be living in Thailand probably just handful in Vietnam. They are not that common species to form a prey base to dholes. And where buffaloes are present dholes are absent in majority of these places. Their habitat requirement is also somewhat different, buffaloes are at home in flat open floodplains and sand banks - preffered habitat also for rhinos, swamp deer, and hog deer, which is a complete contrast to dholes secretive somewhat mountainous and forest dwelling habits, habitat also of gaur and sambar, I doubt they will muster courage for such a full view time consuming hunt in an open tiger country, besides buffaloes seem to posses a pretty good deterent in the form of their long horns that will keep them out of reach.  *This image is copyright of its original author This footage is probably a close one, dingos on feral buffaloes of Australia out in the open |
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