Dholes (Cuon alpinus)

[Tshokwane]

In Bandhavgarh National Park, credits to ‎Rahul Tailang.

*This image is copyright of its original author

Reply

[Tshokwane]

Credits to Amith Bhavikatti.

Dhole pups in playful mood, Kabini

-----------------------------------------------
Dholes are far less territorial than wolves, with pups from one clan often joining another without trouble once they mature sexually. Pups are suckled at least 58 days. During this time, the pack feeds the mother at the den site.
By the age of six months, pups accompany the adults on hunts.
Dholes are famous for their communication skills. They produce variety of sounds: growls, whistles, screams and clucks to communicate with each other.

*This image is copyright of its original author

Reply

[Wolverine]

Are there any photo or video evidences, proves from MODERN India about dholes killing or at least attacking tigers? Was this only Rudyard Kipling's imagination? Reply

[Ngala]

Distribution of the dhole in its northern range limits in the Western Ghats, India Punjabi et al., 2017

Abstract:
"The dhole Cuon alpinus is an Endangered carnivore, whose population status is hitherto undetermined across most of its range. We update information on dhole distribution patterns in the northern Western Ghats, India, which forms the northern range limits for the species in the region. We use two sources of data: a landscape-scale (7000km 2) habitat occupancy study (from 2010-11), and opportunistic camera-trap photographic records (2012-15) from the region. Estimated occupancy (?) was found to be 0.65 (± 0.18) in the surveyed landscape. Presence of protected areas, high percentage forest cover and availability of preferred prey (sambar Rusa unicolor, muntjac Muntiacus muntjac) were positive influences, while human disturbance showed a negative effect on dhole occupancy. The dhole was photo-captured in 14 camera-trap locations outside protected areas, of which 11 locations were outside the area surveyed in the occupancy study. The dhole has likely been extirpated from further north of our study landscape in the Western Ghats, indicating the need to corroborate range maps through renewed field assessments of this carnivore. Findings from this study can serve as a critical component in conservation of the dhole in one of their largest global populations." Reply

[Ngala]

Photo and information credits: Rakesh Rao's Nature & Wildlife Photography
Indian Wild Dog also called as "Dhole" 
Whistling hunters they are ruthless when they are on hunting mode .. just love their tactical hunting style , where one dog diverts the attention of prey and other directs it to a detour and other brings down the animal .. if u see a dead deer without its eyes just think it must be wild dog.. Alpha male and female relationship of the dhole pack can last for years ..If u get to see them hunt u wud be luckiest to see perfect team work .
Bandipur Tiger Reserve

*This image is copyright of its original author

Reply

[parvez]

Arunachal Pradesh dhole,

*This image is copyright of its original author

Reply

[parvez]

Pakke,

*This image is copyright of its original author

Reply

[Wolverine]

(04-28-2018, 12:45 AM)AlexE Wrote: Similar situation

African wild dog is bigger and stronger than the dhole. The largest wild canids 1. Grey wolf 2. African wild dog

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Its true that African wild dog is larger and stronger than the Indian wild dog, in same time dhole is more fearless, fanatical and more suicidal... A pack of dholes is like a Nazi SS Division Totenkopf in action... Suggest the Indian wild dog to be more formidable of the two species. Reply

[Spalea]

@Wolverine :

About #253: When you compare African wolf and dhole, I believe they are not living inside the same context. The African park are much more greater than the Indiana ones, and I would believe, just an intuition, that the dholes are perhaps more stressed. Intraction with domestic animals (thus with men) are possible:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city...313931.cms

In this article it's said that dholes are able to attack some tigers. Of course, I don't really believe it (except perhaps a very young and isolated tiger). But I remember that the African wild dogs were also believed to be able to assault some lions (not possible too, IMO for the same reasons) in a time when they were unknown and much more numerous throughout Africa. Finally the African wild dogs were almost exterminated and for this reason one, they perhaps become a much more timid and elusive animal. Reply

[AlexE]

(04-28-2018, 06:03 AM)Wolverine Wrote:

(04-28-2018, 12:45 AM)AlexE Wrote: Similar situation

African wild dog is bigger and stronger than the dhole. The largest wild canids 1. Grey wolf 2. African wild dog

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Its true that African wild dog is larger and stronger than the Indian wild dog, in same time dhole is more fearless, fanatical and more suicidal... A pack of dholes is like a Nazi SS Division Totenkopf in action... Suggest the Indian wild dog to be more formidable of the two species.

I do not see fearless dogs.

Reply

[Rishi]

(04-28-2018, 03:19 PM)AlexE Wrote:

(04-28-2018, 06:03 AM)Wolverine Wrote:

(04-28-2018, 12:45 AM)AlexE Wrote: Similar situation

African wild dog is bigger and stronger than the dhole. The largest wild canids 1. Grey wolf 2. African wild dog

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Its true that African wild dog is larger and stronger than the Indian wild dog, in same time dhole is more fearless, fanatical and more suicidal... A pack of dholes is like a Nazi SS Division Totenkopf in action... Suggest the Indian wild dog to be more formidable of the two species.

I do not see fearless dogs.

Expected more mature analysis from you!

In all the above cherrypicked cases, the assailed animals were in strong defensive positions. Plus the dholes were few in numbers or alone. Pack animals act much more audaciously when they act as a pack. Otherwise cheetahs can chase away hyenas.

Try these...

Reply

[Wolverine]

Chasing on the tree a spotted big cat...:

Dhole is a much more universalist predator than the African wild dog. It could inhabit and hunt on rugged mointain slopes, in tropical forests, in snowy Northern forests and steppes, African wild dog is capable to hunt and survive only in limited habitat - open tropical savannah of Africa. Dholes are as acrobatic as cats, I know a guys in the zoo who has seen them jumping several metters high, making tutnover in air and landing on their paws...Dholes could hunt in 3-dimensional world of the mountains, likaon prefer only flat plains. Reply

[Shir Babr]

*This image is copyright of its original author

Reply

[Wolverine]

Anamalai Tiger Reserve, South India

*This image is copyright of its original author

Reply

[Shadow]

(01-15-2019, 08:45 PM)johnny rex Wrote:

(01-15-2019, 07:27 AM)Wolverine Wrote:

(01-14-2019, 08:13 AM)peter Wrote:  He, like others, concluded tigers seem to push wolves out. This was the main argument their used to convince hunters in Sichote-Alin to protect tigers.

The reason hunters in RFE don't like wolves and prefer Amur tigers around is that wolves seems to diminish much more efficiently the populations of local herbivores. The toll Amur tiger is getting is … lets say (theoretically)...5-10% of total population of hoofed animals annually in the area while wolf packs in case of high density of wolves could exterminate... lets say... up to 20-30% (I forgot the exact numbers) of all herbivores in the area. The result is that hunters don't have what to hunt... They know that when Amur tiger inhabit the area grey wolves will keep away or avoid hunting in this particular area, so there will be more trophies and more meat for local hunters. Sometimes I red that scientists even intimidate the RFE hunters - "Do not poach tigers because the wolves will come and that will be twice worse for you!" And such intimidation in some cases is efficient.

The triangle between Amur tiger-dhole-grey wolf is interesting and somehow resembles the triangle lion-African wild dog-spotted hyena in Africa. Of course in the nature is not such a thing as 100% domination, but in general lions almost always dominate African wild dogs, African wild dogs usually (not always) dominate spotted hyenas because dogs packs have better coordinated pack organization and better team work than hyenas, while relations between lions and spotted hyenas could be in some cases quite messy and hostile with no clear domination. 
In same way Amur tiger almost always dominate grey wolf, Northern grey wolves usually dominate dholes, while relations between dholes and tigers are more soffisticated, and they could be mutually bold to each other. I mean in the Nature if specie A dominates specie B and specie B dominates specie C that doesn't mean that specie A will dominate specie C. 

In general I think for Northern grey wolves as largest canids is typical that they are aggressive towards other smaller canids like coyotes, foxes, jackals and in same time they are scared and terrified by the big fellines especially by the tigers. Dholes are opposite case, they are quite passive towards other canids obviously suggesting them as kind of "brothers" and quite bold and even said aggressive toward felines. For sure dholes don't panic in the face of tiger.

Here only 2 dholes chase away on the tree a leopard and the spotted cat obviously afraid of them:

If this tigress was weaker probably dholes could even attack her:

In same time old paintings from British India showing dhole packs killing tigers are probably highly exaggerated, there are no fresh scientific proves for such a cases:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Despite the drawing, I doubt a pack of dholes or any kind of canids want to mess with any male big cats. Maybe they will try to harass the females, but I'm really not sure about big males.

Despite the fact, that whoever filmed this footage is one of the worst possible for filming anything, we can see here how dholes are trying to harass tiger. Even though old stories are often exaggerated, sometimes in very gross way, there is often something to what those are based. Older tiger, injured tiger... dholes are for sure smart enough to notice if tiger is slower than normally etc. Maybe there are no cases, where tiger is killed, maybe then again some tiger in weakened condition has been in trouble.

What we know is, that they coexist and also some times there are situations, where they have... should I say disagreements :)

Reply