Crocodile and Big cats Interaction

[Spalea]

(10-15-2018, 02:01 PM)parvez Wrote:

(10-13-2018, 03:17 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(10-13-2018, 02:45 PM)parvez Wrote: @Spalea Those two incidents are involving Sunderban tigers. Sunderban tigers are the smallest of Bengal tigers. They may be weighing only around 140-180kgs and also i suppose are inferiorly built than mainland tigers. So, the instincts of being gigantic if provoked is absent in them. I doubt their biteforce and overall power are same in Sunderban tigers. They aren't stocky too. All these factors contribute. Even then both articles state they are very rare incidents. That itself speaks of tigers dominance.

When we speak about crocs killed by tigers, we don't never say "it's only Mugger croc, not saltwater croc"... If we speak about tigers killed by crocs we don't say "it's only the Sundarban tigers, the smallest of Bengal tigers". The objectivity must work in both sides. When a tiger kills a croc, you say "as usual", but in the opposite case not only you say it was a small subspecy of tiger, but also that these small Sundarban tigers are not as powerfully built. Where is the proof that the Sundarban tigers aren't as pound for pound (I know you're all fond of this expression) strong as the other Bengal tigers ? Why do you want absolutely to minimize the facts retailing some tigers killed by other animals ? Tigers are beautiful and marvelous animals but I believe we aren't allowed to say they are only animals and that, sometimes they can be vanquished.

Such fights happen very seldomly. But we absolutely need certainties in order to say "the former is stronger than the latter, always !", we have a pathological need to establish some hierarchies, strength hierarchies of course.

All this to say that I'm not convinced at all that an adult male tiger would have the upper hand against a fully adult Saltwater croc into the water.

Mainland tigers like sonam(in the video i posted in this thread) easily steals the prey from mugger crocodiles in DEEP water. Crocodiles are sluggish creatures. Their metabolism rate is very low compared to mammals. I think that is where they are capitalized at by the big cats. Big cats, particularly tigers are amazingly agile, strong, fast to capitalise on sluggishness even in water. Sonam is a tigress probably weighing around 150kgs. She fends of probably 2 crocodiles in deep water. Genghis of ranthambore ddd this almost regularly. The crocodiles have natural instinct of fear for tigers in atleast indian subcontinent. Atlast i mean to say some tigers have the potential to fight and steal prey from salties even in deep water owing to all the factors i spoke of now.

Yes, I know the Genghis's story, the amazing tiger that currently stealed the preys from mugger crocs.
I gladly admit that the tiger easily dissuades the mugger crocs to stand up to it, even into the water. As concerns the Saltwater croc, frankly I don't know. Saltwater crocs are bigger and more aggressive. And I didn't read any account about a fight between a tiger and a specified saltwater croc.
The only one croc we can compare with the saltwater croc is the Nile croc which is often confronted with the lion. But I wouldn't draw a parallel with the tiger because the lions don't like water at all and thus they would never dare to fight any Nile croc in deep water. But we know some cases where a male lion came into the water, challenging the crocs. Especially a video coming from the Londolozi park where after a giraffe was falling into a river, a big male lion came into the water exactly like the tiger Genghis, discovering its fangs and starting to eat in front of the crocs that didn't intervene. The accounter explained that by maintaining the fact that the crocs are unabble to dismember the flesh only by biting it. The shallow depth (50 cm) wouldn' t allow them to contort themselves for tearing the corpse. Thus, they waited for the lion to eat (opening some gaps into the body) before eating in their turn .
Unlucky I'm unable to find back this video I saw 10-12 years ago...
But, anyway, this wasn't a fight, and this encounter didn't happen in deep water, only in shallow depth. As I said a lion will nerver dare to challenge a Nile croc in deep water, and even if the tiger is much more comfortable in the water, seriously I doubt about the outcome between the felid and a big saltwater croc. Reply