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Coalitions of Kruger National Park

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(07-21-2020, 01:53 AM)Matimbalani Wrote:
(07-20-2020, 11:39 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Shishangeni males
Are the Shishangeni still three? The Gomondwane seem to be following them.

Correct: The Shishangeni are still three males... Until today there aren't any sign of the fourth brother.

2 - I don't think that they seems to be following them but are keeping an eye in their territory.
Now are two groups 5 and 2.
I believe that is a  successful way to control their boundaries and marking the area but one of the most risky at the same time!


If the 6 Vurhami and the 6 Gomondwane reach the adulthood free and without any fight before that.
I'm very sure that they could be a threat in the South KNP ((in the case that they don't move out of there.)
Maybe this can never happend but Imagine if they do a coalition of 12 male lions! OMG.
A fairy tale haha
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(07-21-2020, 01:48 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Very agree with you.
i know that the Mpondo or Gomondwane or even Shishangeni are very strong males.
But the Mantimahle are just the perfect coalition to follow by close and understand the lion behavior and their dynamics!
Originally as seven brothers only five have reached up the adulthood. (Exist rumours that the 6th is alive but i don't believe it.)

if i remember correctly, they currently are holding almost big part of Skukuza and Lower sabie, Basically one of the most famous parts of the Kruger National Park, The mighty Skukuza area!

They abandon their territory close to Skukuza (5th Mantimahles territory) and now their territory is from around Nkuhlu, eastern parts of s21, s30 and north of it towards Tshokwane and along h4-1 almost to Lower Sabie, very big territory..
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(07-21-2020, 02:06 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(07-21-2020, 01:48 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Very agree with you.
i know that the Mpondo or Gomondwane or even Shishangeni are very strong males.
But the Mantimahle are just the perfect coalition to follow by close and understand the lion behavior and their dynamics!
Originally as seven brothers only five have reached up the adulthood. (Exist rumours that the 6th is alive but i don't believe it.)

if i remember correctly, they currently are holding almost big part of Skukuza and Lower sabie, Basically one of the most famous parts of the Kruger National Park, The mighty Skukuza area!

They abandon their territory close to Skukuza (5th Mantimahles territory) and now their territory is from around Nkuhlu, eastern parts of s21, s30 and north of it towards Tshokwane and along h4-1 almost to Lower Sabie, very big territory..
Good to know.

Still is a great territory for those old boys
I've heard that they once have ruled more than 10 prides. 
Incluiding the breakaways ones
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https://www.latestsightings.com/single-post/2020/07/20/3-Male-Lions-Attacking-Another-Lion-Get-Interrupted-by-Elephants-and-Hippos-Mjejane?fbk&fbclid=IwAR2eZjofxGMDr0aws5ovWI3OY6YQo0y8Tr48CBq6THFBok59wmH40Pzgsn4

Mjejane males killing intruder male


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There is nothing like the intensity of lion dynamics in the African bush. This video shows what goes on when young nomadic male lions enter into unknown territory.


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27-year-old, owner of South Post Lodge, Steyn Jacobsohn witnessed an incredible fight for survival in the Mjejane Game Reserve on the 18th of July. This display of survival of the fittest carried on for almost 3 hours! 3 Lions were attacking 1 male lion in a dual of trespasser elimination!


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We caught up with Steyn and he shared his experience with LatestSightings.com:


“I started a drive with guests and got an update of 3 big male lions that were walking on the road, so I responded to them and got them on the road walking in front of our Open Safari Vehicle, they were on a mission! They disappeared quickly but we managed to relocate them at the dam where they were busy drinking, from there they were up again and running, sniffing, marking in the area so I told my guests that the lions were looking for something and that it was not food, maybe a lion in their territory.”


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“I was sure that this was the best sighting we would have for the day so we continued on our way to get a coffee at the coffee shop. The next moment all hell broke loose! While having coffee, we saw 3 big male lions chasing a young male and we could tell that the situation was getting even more intense as they chased through a herd of elephants. Startled by the chaos, the elephants responded by chasing the lions as they broke through an opening and each could split into their own different directions.”


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“For about 5 minutes, things were quiet, and then a big fight started between the male lions right opposite us, on the other side of the dam. The fight lasted a whole of almost 3 hours as the 3 adult males kept returning to the injured and tired young male, biting and clawing at him. The elephants and hippos attempted to chase the 3 male lions away each time they returned, almost as if they were protecting the young male from a fatal end. Unfortunately, fate was not in the young males' favor as the adult males returned one last time, finished the job, and then left for good.”


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“The young male lion was left badly injured, with a broken back and later succumbed to its injuries. He then became a meal for vultures who later joined the scene.”




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really dont understand lions . why not get in the water to escape ? they always just accept the beating instead of running for their lives . hate it
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(07-22-2020, 12:24 AM)239Pu Wrote: really dont understand lions . why not get in the water to escape ? they always just accept the beating instead of running for their lives . hate it

Sometimes they don't think.
They just act by instinct and I'm sure that if this young male I would have gone into the water the Hippos or Crocodiles can killing him there
This was a bit of unlucky for him.
But after all this is the lion dynamics and it's fascinating how they act in those situations
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(07-22-2020, 12:24 AM)239Pu Wrote: really dont understand lions . why not get in the water to escape ? they always just accept the beating instead of running for their lives . hate it

On this footage he already have broken back, he cant walk..
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Male lion near skukuza can someone confirmed id - (i think S Avoca) -https://twitter.com/LatestKruger/status/1285936890663899136/photo/1
(huge territorial fight. 1 with a bad injury on nose and 1 with a slashed open cheek three more on a kill in the Bushes)
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(07-22-2020, 07:09 PM)Dreadlocks Wrote: Male lion near skukuza can someone confirmed id - (i think S Avoca) -https://twitter.com/LatestKruger/status/1285936890663899136/photo/1
(huge territorial fight. 1 with a bad injury on nose and 1 with a slashed open cheek three more on a kill in the Bushes)


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No, thats on H1-1, thats too west to be S. Avocas, this to me look like Dreadlocks from DeLaporte, maybe fight with Mpondos??

But thats close to Transport Dam, thats too west to be Mpondos involved..

DeLaportes and Talamati/Southern males maybe involved, Fourways males are close too.. Idk..
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(07-22-2020, 07:20 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
Quote:Male lion near skukuza can someone confirmed id - (i think S Avoca) -https://twitter.com/LatestKruger/status/1285936890663899136/photo/1
(huge territorial fight. 1 with a bad injury on nose and 1 with a slashed open cheek three more on a kill in the Bushes)

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No, thats on H1-1, thats too west to be S. Avocas, this to me look like Dreadlocks from DeLaporte, maybe fight with Mpondos??

But thats close to Transport Dam, thats too west to be Mpondos involved..

DeLaportes and Talamati/Southern males maybe involved, Fourways males are close too.. Idk..

Its not Dreadlocks, Dreadlocks has a permanent black mark on his mouth, very visible on a video of him from few days ago in Lion Sands :


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This male doesn't have that.
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Drop Lip Kumana male stil dominant over Shishangaan pride:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CC7t_SYAQm5/...xovze0kyq6


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From Mjejane Bush Camp page

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Lion update!
On Friday night, the three Mjejane Males came onto the reserve to sort out the 6 young interlopers who have been laying claim over the past week, roaring precociously across at Kruger from the river bank.

One of the younger males managed to get himself isolated between Old Fence and Leadwood. His mates had hidden away towards the south east.
Foolishly, he contact-called (inexperience?)and the three boys found him.
A huge fracas ensued as they chased him down to the dam, attacking and injuring him badly (in the bushes).

An elephant herd then stampeded the lions and the fight moved out of the bushes to the northern bank of the dam where all could see what ensued.
The youngster was badly bashed, but still able to stand. The big three just kept coming back at him to administer more blows in quick, angry bursts.
The fourth attack dealt the killer bite as the youngest of our Big Three broke the lion’s back. It was ferocious.
They then came back for one last look, realised they’d done the job, and sauntered off.

The young chap took about an hour or so to finally die - so didn’t suffer too long.
The Big Three were last seen by Tim on Cheetah and no sign of them this morning. They seem to have headed back to Kruger. Perhaps they think their work is done?
Under the radar, the now five youngsters are still in the south east. They made a kill on Rock Fig and have been joined by that lioness who has been roaming the reserve. She seems to be in probably fake oestris as two of the boys are very interested in her and we saw one mating moment.
All very dramatic and VERY interesting. We’ll add some pics
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Could the young males be the Gomondwane? There were 7 at one time?
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(07-22-2020, 11:35 PM)NCAT33 Wrote: Could the young males be the Gomondwane? There were 7 at one time?

No, young Gomondwanes are older, and already dominant, they are around the age of those 3 Mjejane males.
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Shishangaan young males (Casper is not on photos but he was with them) 1 month ago on s100 near s41:

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So these males are born around mid 2014, some are few months older, and some younger, they are 6 yrs old now and still not dominant, they've returned to their home land, hope they find a pride for themselves soon..
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