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BODY SIZE AND MASS OF NGORONGORO CRATER LIONS
BODY SIZE AND MASS OF NGORONGORO CRATER LIONS
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BODY SIZE AND MASS OF NGORONGORO CRATER LIONS
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 (02-17-2015, 11:59 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote:(02-17-2015, 11:52 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: 146 kg is a decent size for a Tom of 4 years of age, nothing special by any means but he could still put on another 50+kg of size in the next 4-6 years.50+ kg? Oh no...at this age he probably wont be any longer or taller...and he is already quite massive. Give him 20-30 kg max. Weighing about 220kg at the age of 2 , he is absolutely huge, perhaps he has the potential to go even a bit further than 300kg. Some non-obese captive Amurs that hit 400kg could be explained as the genetic throwback. Those who don't have this trait are basically same as their wild counterparts.  (02-18-2015, 07:15 PM)'chaos' Wrote: Thats odd, because I'm not feeling any sense of dread. Truth is certain people get very uncomfortable when anything positive The same can be said in oposite way (towards lion fans). We all are somewhat biased (even though some of us perhaps do not realize that...and those who deny it, those who claim that they are "neutral" - those are IMO the most biased). We all are tiger or lion fans. We all are very sensitive when we see something that can be interpreted as an attack against our favorite cat. And we all very willingly belive to anything that flatters our favorite cat. We are the same. (02-18-2015, 08:09 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: Weighing about 220kg at the age of 2 , he is absolutely huge, perhaps he has the potential to go even a bit further than 300kg. Im looking forward to see his growth in the future. BTW captive (amur, white bengal) tigers are usually around 100 kg in one year. But I know about one who was 140 kg in one year...  (02-18-2015, 10:16 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote:(02-18-2015, 07:15 PM)'chaos' Wrote: Thats odd, because I'm not feeling any sense of dread. Truth is certain people get very uncomfortable when anything positive I agree. Within reason. But, thats not the case with everyone. Some are a bit more - for a lack of a better term - over the top. Hence, the "Are we not adults "? (02-18-2015, 10:30 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote:(02-18-2015, 08:09 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote: Weighing about 220kg at the age of 2 , he is absolutely huge, perhaps he has the potential to go even a bit further than 300kg. The weight of the male big cats usually peak around the age of 8 to 10, then went down after the age of 10. A 220kg cub is absolutely monstrous. BTW, we can go back to the lion topic for now.
Ok, lets go back to the lions...the crater theme is perhaps exploited...so here are the lions from zoo Prague (see my previous video link)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biVwihvwKHU (02-18-2015, 11:03 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote:(02-18-2015, 10:39 PM)'chaos' Wrote: I agree. Within reason. But, thats not the case with everyone. Some are a bit more - for a lack of a better term - over the top. I remember. lol I'd like to think we've evolved a bit since then. Just look at what happened to AVA. A crying shame...................I'm sure you agree 
those were the golden days lol [img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
In one of previous posts there is an info, that average weight of Ngorongoro females is 127 kg. Average weight of kruger females is 124,2 kg and average weight of kruger males is 187,5 kg (see post of guate in tiger extinction thread). So what could be the average weight of Ngorongoro males?
 (03-07-2015, 02:28 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote: In one of previous posts there is an info, that average weight of Ngorongoro females is 127 kg. Average weight of kruger females is 124,2 kg and average weight of kruger males is 187,5 kg (see post of guate in tiger extinction thread). So what could be the average weight of Ngorongoro males? No way to know for sure, but its probably safe to assume they are the same as any other Serengetti Lion averages. 
124.2 and 127 kg are statistically identical, one would need a very large amount of samples to say otherwise. Although, as the Kruger weights were adjusted, one could assume the raw weight from Kruger would be 135 kg-140 kg for females, making them larger than the Crater population in regard to the specific samples.
(03-09-2015, 02:23 AM)'Amnon242' Wrote:Until somebody weighs one or eye witnesses who have seen both gives proof of this, that is not a correct statement. They infact are Serengetti Lions. They come from the serengetti and as recently as 30 years ago, they had imported from the serengetti to the crater. It is far more likely that they're going to be the exact same as Serengetti Lions.(03-09-2015, 01:44 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: No way to know for sure, but its probably safe to assume they are the same as any other Serengetti Lion averages. They do have a dense population of Buffalo there but that doesn't matter since they hunt Wildabeast and Zebra far more often there. So even if you were to say they eat more than other Lions elsewhere, you can only add so much mass to a body that is the same dimensions as other serengetti lions. 30 years is not enough time to adapt drastic evolutionary changes, and the fact that prides and coalitions are so large and inbred that they have to share food with lots of mouths would also put a damper on the idea of them being extremely large. I just don't see very much weight differences from place to place when comparing African Lions. They are usually very close to each other and the weights generally show that. (03-09-2015, 03:44 AM)'tigerluver' Wrote: 124.2 and 127 kg are statistically identical, one would need a very large amount of samples to say otherwise. Although, as the Kruger weights were adjusted, one could assume the raw weight from Kruger would be 135 kg-140 kg for females, making them larger than the Crater population in regard to the specific samples. But crater females are still larger than serengeti females, so its rational to conclude that its the same in case of males. |
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