Big herbivores!

[Shadow]

Starting of this video.... and some people say, that male lions can´t hunt alone  But same time showing how close call it is between success and severe, even fatal injury. As do many other situations in that video, if interested to watch all of it. Of course many have seen all of those situations before, but I hadn´t that first occasion right in start of that video, maybe something new for someone else too.

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[Pckts]

(01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating. 
Funny to see how much stronger the rhinos are, but the buffalo comes back and are so aggressive that they manage to be the dominant species. 

It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!!

I was here a few years ago and yes, I was told the same.
The Gaurs there are the most aggressive animal in the Wild Animal Park, this includes Cape Buffalo which are in the Africa side, that being said, when I was there they had to remove the large male Asian Rhino because he became too aggressive and dangerous to all the other animals there, this included the Gaur which he would routinely bully as well.

Here's my thread on my visit

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-trip-to...=san+diego Reply

[Pckts]

Tusker and Gaur together at a Salt Lick.

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[Pantherinae]

(01-10-2019, 10:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating. 
Funny to see how much stronger the rhinos are, but the buffalo comes back and are so aggressive that they manage to be the dominant species. 

It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!!

I was here a few years ago and yes, I was told the same.
The Gaurs there are the most aggressive animal in the Wild Animal Park, this includes Cape Buffalo which are in the Africa side, that being said, when I was there they had to remove the large male Asian Rhino because he became too aggressive and dangerous to all the other animals there, this included the Gaur which he would routinely bully as well.

Here's my thread on my visit

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-trip-to...=san+diego

Very intersting read pckts. I have always been told that Cape buffalos where the most aggressive bovid in all parks that I have been where they keep several bovid species. 
The cape bull in Borås zoo in Sweeden (which almost killed me a few years back), 
Had to be removed because of it’s aggression towards the elephants!  
And would try to kill every other animal on the savannah.
Interesting to hear about the gaurs aggression, I heard somwhere that water buffalos are the dominant between the two where the co-exisit, I have only seen them in two parks, they are impressive as hell, especially the height strikes you! Reply

[Pckts]

(01-10-2019, 11:59 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 10:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating. 
Funny to see how much stronger the rhinos are, but the buffalo comes back and are so aggressive that they manage to be the dominant species. 

It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!!

I was here a few years ago and yes, I was told the same.
The Gaurs there are the most aggressive animal in the Wild Animal Park, this includes Cape Buffalo which are in the Africa side, that being said, when I was there they had to remove the large male Asian Rhino because he became too aggressive and dangerous to all the other animals there, this included the Gaur which he would routinely bully as well.

Here's my thread on my visit

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-trip-to...=san+diego

Very intersting read pckts. I have always been told that Cape buffalos where the most aggressive bovid in all parks that I have been where they keep several bovid species. 
The cape bull in Borås zoo in Sweeden (which almost killed me a few years back), 
Had to be removed because of it’s aggression towards the elephants!  
And would try to kill every other animal on the savannah.
Interesting to hear about the gaurs aggression, I heard somwhere that water buffalos are the dominant between the two where the co-exisit, I have only seen them in two parks, they are impressive as hell, especially the height strikes you!

I have yet to see a single image of Gaur and Waterbuffalo together, I have my doubts that any can claim dominance between the two based off of so little. 

In captivity you know how it goes, every animal will have it's own personality but in the wild size dominates all, of course there are outliers here and there but we all know an Angry Rhino, Hippo or Ellie is shoving around any Bovine. Reply

[Pantherinae]

(01-11-2019, 12:03 AM)LPckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 11:59 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 10:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating. 
Funny to see how much stronger the rhinos are, but the buffalo comes back and are so aggressive that they manage to be the dominant species. 

It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!!

I was here a few years ago and yes, I was told the same.
The Gaurs there are the most aggressive animal in the Wild Animal Park, this includes Cape Buffalo which are in the Africa side, that being said, when I was there they had to remove the large male Asian Rhino because he became too aggressive and dangerous to all the other animals there, this included the Gaur which he would routinely bully as well.

Here's my thread on my visit

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-trip-to...=san+diego

Very intersting read pckts. I have always been told that Cape buffalos where the most aggressive bovid in all parks that I have been where they keep several bovid species. 
The cape bull in Borås zoo in Sweeden (which almost killed me a few years back), 
Had to be removed because of it’s aggression towards the elephants!  
And would try to kill every other animal on the savannah.
Interesting to hear about the gaurs aggression, I heard somwhere that water buffalos are the dominant between the two where the co-exisit, I have only seen them in two parks, they are impressive as hell, especially the height strikes you!

I have yet to see a single image of Gaur and Waterbuffalo together, I have my doubts that any can claim dominance between the two based off of so little. 

In captivity you know how it goes, every animal will have it's own personality but in the wild size dominates all, of course there are outliers here and there but we all know an Angry Rhino, Hippo or Ellie is shoving around any Bovine.

Well then I have something that will make you happy! A gaur and a water buffalo 

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I don't know where it was, but it was conversation between two where one lived in an area where both species lived, and he said the Water Buffalo was dominant, but equally powerful animals I guess can both push one another around. 

No bovid can match those (elephants, Rhino and hippo) for sure. Reply

[Pckts]

(01-11-2019, 12:26 AM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(01-11-2019, 12:03 AM)LPckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 11:59 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 10:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:

(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating. 
Funny to see how much stronger the rhinos are, but the buffalo comes back and are so aggressive that they manage to be the dominant species. 

It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!!

I was here a few years ago and yes, I was told the same.
The Gaurs there are the most aggressive animal in the Wild Animal Park, this includes Cape Buffalo which are in the Africa side, that being said, when I was there they had to remove the large male Asian Rhino because he became too aggressive and dangerous to all the other animals there, this included the Gaur which he would routinely bully as well.

Here's my thread on my visit

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-trip-to...=san+diego

Very intersting read pckts. I have always been told that Cape buffalos where the most aggressive bovid in all parks that I have been where they keep several bovid species. 
The cape bull in Borås zoo in Sweeden (which almost killed me a few years back), 
Had to be removed because of it’s aggression towards the elephants!  
And would try to kill every other animal on the savannah.
Interesting to hear about the gaurs aggression, I heard somwhere that water buffalos are the dominant between the two where the co-exisit, I have only seen them in two parks, they are impressive as hell, especially the height strikes you!

I have yet to see a single image of Gaur and Waterbuffalo together, I have my doubts that any can claim dominance between the two based off of so little. 

In captivity you know how it goes, every animal will have it's own personality but in the wild size dominates all, of course there are outliers here and there but we all know an Angry Rhino, Hippo or Ellie is shoving around any Bovine.

Well then I have something that will make you happy! A gaur and a water buffalo 

*This image is copyright of its original author

I don't know where it was, but it was conversation between two where one lived in an area where both species lived, and he said the Water Buffalo was dominant, but equally powerful animals I guess can both push one another around. 

No bovid can match those (elephants, Rhino and hippo) for sure.

I thought this was the Photoshopped image?

Also, I'd like to know where he lives, since they only overlap in a couple of places and Gaurs are hardly seen in Kaziranga and Nepal, at least in comparison to C. India from what I understand, @Rishi and @Jimmy can shed more light on this I'm sure, South East Asia may be a different story but that is where Gaurs are at their largest so again, I'd love to see some more info on this if possible.
But I have no doubt that 2 so closely sized Bovines would certainly have wins and losses between them if they ever did encounter eachother, I said the same about Capes, even though at their Largest, the Gaur is the Larger bovine for sure there still is serious overlap between the 2 and I see no reason why either couldn't assert dominance over the other at times. Reply

[Spalea]

@Pantherinae :

About #398: The rhinos were placid, the buffalos quite aggressiv but unable to realize that the rhinos are much more powerful than themselves. When the rhino is excited there is no match... Is it stupidity ? Even the solidarity between the buffalos is lacking in these movies... Reply

[Pantherinae]

@Pckts I don't remember where he lived, just remember a person saying that in conversation a couple of years ago, because I had never heard about them interacting before. But it was on some kind of forum.
Yeah I think the two buffalo's would definitely give the gaur a match. Reply

[Pckts]

(01-11-2019, 02:02 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: @Pckts I don't remember where he lived, just remember a person saying that in conversation a couple of years ago, because I had never heard about them interacting before. But it was on some kind of forum.
Yeah I think the two buffalo's would definitely give the gaur a match.

Not really much to go off of there. Reply

[Pantherinae]

(01-11-2019, 02:14 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-11-2019, 02:02 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: @Pckts I don't remember where he lived, just remember a person saying that in conversation a couple of years ago, because I had never heard about them interacting before. But it was on some kind of forum.
Yeah I think the two buffalo's would definitely give the gaur a match.

Not really much to go off of there.

I think the image is photoshopped... sadly. 
No as I said I do not have much, I just remember hearing it once from one person. Reply

[Pantherinae]

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Eland bull! Reply

[Jimmy]

@Pckts @Pantherinae that was me doing Photoshop, never seen their interaction. There are few places they both live in but it's an irony where one is found in good numbers, the other is  less numerous. Maybe Manas national park has potential to carry both. Nepal has 400+ Buffaloes and 400+Gaurs but they are at different parks in terai, Chitwan currently is trying to re-establish wild buffaloes.  Regarding  fights i  don't believe in these captive situation either. To  me what is a clear dominance is when one species completely cede their space when another superior species arrives, and that has to be in the wild, for eg- if wild pigs cede the space to stag, stags  leave the watering hole when Banteng arrives and Banteng give way to Gaur the hierarchy is clear there is no need of fight, the inferior species tend to leave even if the superior species is a female or infirm individual, for them the species matter and not their condition, carnivores are more cunning and see through their appearance and then capitalize on that. However in those circumstances resource should be absolutely limited other wise sharing not fighting over the resources will occur, that is why you see more herbivores confrontation in Africa mainly for water hole, in Asia they just move few paces away and find their own spot, there is no need for confrontation when there are surplus resources, in Asia such confrontation is possible at the mineral licks which is more concentrated in one place and hierarchy between different species will show cuz of limited resource, again in carnivores resource is scarce like at the hard-earned kill-sites so they will not give them easily. I suspect that will be the case at most times as can be seen in this video also

or this, Banteng is clealy inferior to Gaur

Now between Wild water buffalo and Gaur, i favor water buffalo more here is the reason I assume- the most likely place in the wild they meet is at the waterhole which is naturally domain of the buffaloes, buffaloes seldom travel more they are grazers, a grassland species and they remain between water body and grassland, Gaurs seldom bathe they just drink from the shore, Gaurs are browsers more forest oriented, as one might know, water buffalo are like hippos too lazy to move once they have settled in their place, Gaurs I think cannot displace water buffaloes from water, I don't see it, Gaurs for me are more athletic they are hill animals used to travelling and probably they would move elsewhere to get a drink there won't be fights maybe just some gesturing and according to the hierarchy buffaloes would be left as they are and would seem more dominant of the two. Now regarding assumed fights like Pckts mentioned there is no way of knowing when both overlap the weight range and there is no way of knowing both are prime alpha specimen of either species and at their absolute peak, and one scenario cannot determine it will always be so, they must be very well matched, I have rarely witnessed a tussle between domestic cattle and domestic buffalo either, they normally won't bother each other and each keeps to itself. However, I think water buffaloes are built more stable- large feet, short body etc, the pushing power is incredible since they are swamp oriented, Gaur is likely more agile and fast paced but buffaloes horn will block or restrain any advantage the Gaur has, even when they are just pushing with forehead, the tips of Buffaloes horn will be poking at the Gaurs neck and shoulder region, that is the reason I favor the Buffalo. Here is one lucky/rare incident i just noticed at 1:03 looks like there is a mayhem where both fighting ox and fighting buffalo are present in the same place and in the chaos buffalo locks horn with what appears a  larger cattle/ox ( notice brown coloration and dewlap, another similar cattle in front also) and with much ease continuously pushes it until retreat.

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The last great herds on Earth, plains of Serengeti:

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