There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
08-20-2014, 08:04 PM( This post was last modified: 08-20-2014, 08:06 PM by peter )
(08-20-2014, 07:00 PM)'Roflcopters' Wrote: Peter, I have no idea what you're going on about here. I was never involved in any ponzy scheme if that's what you're implying and for the record. I lost my own "forum" that i built from ground up so there's no room for magic tricks or anything along those lines.. please re-evaluate your assertions.
I know you lost your forum because of a former friend. He was bad news, but you either didn't see it coming or didn't care. The result was you got involved in crap. In the end, you lost your forum and, far worse, your reputation. You of all people should know everything is about trust and it starts with a few principles. Your principles. And friends. People who don't run when the going gets tough, I mean.
Because your forum had a few real good threads, I visited your place quite often. I saw both excellent info and excellent crap. As you omitted moderation after a while (something you held against Perrault), your place was hijacked in the end. I also saw things regarding a number of general topics I take very seriously I didn't expect. That is without Bold, I mean.
You really mix quality and crap at times and you also can't deny you like to stir things up every now and then (referring to the debate on Munna). I don't mind you endulging in Jekyll and Hide, but don't do it here. The reason is it can result in things that can rapidly get out of control. Not happening over here. I don't want to waste my energy on crap.
You know you are a good poster. I will back you in most respects, but remember the AVA-highway is now closed. I propose to concentrate on those without a voice, as that was the goal. Big predators and humans clash and they do it more often than a few decades ago. I wouldn't mind seeing some quality posts, as we could do with a bit more in this department.
08-20-2014, 08:54 PM( This post was last modified: 08-20-2014, 08:54 PM by P Tigris )
Ok, because there is no censorship here (yuku kept deleting my posts)
There is only ONE real hacker:
Vitellius/Bruinbark/Masked/Strike/Dozens of others
Best known by Vitellius.
Now, Vitellius contacted Wolverineclaws, another poster Roflcopters is talking about. And Wolverineclaws (who was the forum's enemy) agreed to fight with Vitellius in this "war against lion fans". (As they call it)
Then, it gets long, dreaded, and odd.
If you want some stories on some actions he's done:
He's called Sonny, harrassed him and found his pictures.
He's chased Bold Champ off.
He's (100% honestly) visited my work office and talked to me. (No I am not lying)
And honestly, I feel Wolverineclaws was dragged in by him, and Wolverineclaws is innocent. WC has had many attempts exposing Vitellius, and in fact, he has. He told yuku team some of Vitellius's hacking methods when he got angry at him. If he didn't, the hacking would still continue.
What unfortunate events. These "hacker/s" obviously like big cats, it's sad that their personal opinions and quest to cause trouble get in the way. You would think that they would'nt want this place to be lost, it's a very small group who is interested in these cats, we should be supportive of the work that is required to maintain such a helpful tool.
Debates will happen, arguments occur but as long as we remain focused on whats right, the Cats, then thats all that should matter. Hopefully these hacking attempts will stop.
Just my 2 cents, but maybe the Mods can put in a couple of questions in regards to Big cats to help qualify somebody as generally interested in Big Cats and not just to cause trouble. Obviously this isn't fool proof but might help.
Something like
Tell us about your favorite big cat?
What brought you to this site?
how did you hear about us?
Have you been on any other forums regarding wild life?
etc.
08-21-2014, 06:30 AM( This post was last modified: 08-21-2014, 06:48 AM by peter )
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My guess is the hacker isn't really interested in animals. He might have been at some stage, but animals were replaced by something entirely different. Tigris and Copters could answer a few questions, as they have some experience with the one who recently tried to enlarge his collection of skulls.
Until recently, both had some interest in games, guns and everything related (using figurative language, of course). Until they became aware of the downside, that is. They survived, but both lost a limb and a forum. They could tell you about intentions and results, but my guess is it would be boring. If you eat a lot, you will gain weight. If you read a lot, you will get to knowledge. If you like to swim in the sea, you will learn about the sea and those making a living over there. Like sharks. Or, as likely, the other way round. The point is you got to know what you are really doing. Another thing to remember is initiative. When you enter unknown territory, you lose it. That's why experienced animals usually avoid risks.
We talked about asking questions to would-be members before we started and concluded it wouldn't be easy to get to an assessment. We also don't want to discourage would-be posters. I remember I had to answer questions when I joined Yuku. I also remember it had no real meaning for lack of a follow-up. We know about the results and many saw it coming. Screening is a thing of the past. Until it becomes a part of today. My guess is we will have a new debate soon.
TIGRIS
Good post. We knew about some things, but not everything. Sorry to read about the results, but every adventure is risky. We could ask Snowden about privacy, but we could also conclude it was to be expected. A far-fetched conclusion maybe, but I could tell you stories about events you wouldn't believe. And there were very real victims as well.
When AVA was still up and running, I got to a few conclusions regarding the hacker. My guess was he would pay us a visit right at the start and he didn't disappoint us. As it's likely he will return at regular intervals, we would be interested in everything that could make a difference. It's about the details. I propose to pm Sanjay when you can.
One more to finish the post. We know about your experiences and understand you opted for a low profile for now. In spite of that, you're encouraged to start posting. This forum is about good info on the animals we are interested in and we know you are able to deliver. Good luck.
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08-22-2014, 06:22 AM( This post was last modified: 08-22-2014, 06:31 AM by Jinenfordragon )
Wolverineclaws is the hacker and always was on all forums, no russian friend...that's bullsh*t.
To bad not many have a ''nose'' for him.He is indeed a very elusive one, always loves to spam even his own forum with multiple accounts so he can deceive the potential new posters that the forum is actually populated(roflcopters knows best).
He will come back, under different Ip's, nicknames etc.
I can't say im bothered, since AvA and animalvsanimal were just some shitY Tiger Fans Orgy Clubs anyway.Pretty much the direction of this present forum.
So yea, GOGOGO Jajuan/WC/Vitellius(russian alias), nuke them Grads over here!
08-22-2014, 07:52 AM( This post was last modified: 08-22-2014, 07:53 AM by peter )
(08-22-2014, 06:22 AM)'Jinenfordragon' Wrote: Wolverineclaws is the hacker and always was on all forums, no russian friend...that's bullsh*t.
To bad not many have a ''nose'' for him.He is indeed a very elusive one, always loves to spam even his own forum with multiple accounts so he can deceive the potential new posters that the forum is actually populated(roflcopters knows best).
He will come back, under different Ip's, nicknames etc.
I can't say im bothered, since AvA and animalvsanimal were just some shitY Tiger Fans Orgy Clubs anyway.Pretty much the direction of this present forum.
So yea, GOGOGO Jajuan/WC/Vitellius(russian alias), nuke them Grads over here!
As a result of the hacker and the missiles he launched, I was forced to get to the core of it in order to solve the problem once and for all. I visited the old forums, read the old crap, identified and tracked the usual suspects. When one remained, I send a number of pm's. When the conclusion I had reached was confirmed, the report was written. It started with an overview of the facts. Then the connections and motives were added. It was finished with a theory that explained everything. The jury only needed one hour and Judge Roy Bean, who was one of the victims himself, will pass sentence tomorrow. My guess is the hacker will be made an offer he can't refuse and that will be the end of it.
I promised not to disclose the content of the report, but it seems the differences between those involved in sound research west of the Pecos River and Romanian noses used to smell out foxes on the other hand are quite limited indeed. We might decide to hire one, but I'm a bit worried about his manners.
For once, I will consider a thread dedicated to enormous lions breakfasting on miniature tigers, but I can't make any promises yet. I'll talk to Sanjay, Guate and Apollo and we'll see what happens.
(08-22-2014, 06:22 AM)Jinenfordragon Wrote: Wolverineclaws is the hacker and always was on all forums, no russian friend...that's bullsh*t.
To bad not many have a ''nose'' for him.He is indeed a very elusive one, always loves to spam even his own forum with multiple accounts so he can deceive the potential new posters that the forum is actually populated(roflcopters knows best).
He will come back, under different Ip's, nicknames etc.
I can't say im bothered, since AvA and animalvsanimal were just some shitY Tiger Fans Orgy Clubs anyway.Pretty much the direction of this present forum.
So yea, GOGOGO Jajuan/WC/Vitellius(russian alias), nuke them Grads over here!
You know I don't like you Jinen, but you are completely wrong. Vitel is a real person, who I've seen and talked to. I've talked to both of them, and can 100% guarantee there are two hackers. Actually, one hacker. Vitel. And Wolverineclaws just latched on.
In fact, since you lurked the forums for a year while logged off, you saw the video posted when Vitel was talking to bold champ? These are two different people. You don't have to believe it, but I know more than anyone here.
If you don't want to believe it, that's your loss.
(08-22-2014, 07:52 AM)peter Wrote: As a result of the hacker and the missiles he launched, I was forced to get to the core of it in order to solve the problem once and for all. I visited the old forums, read the old crap, identified and tracked the usual suspects. When one remained, I send a number of pm's. When the conclusion I had reached was confirmed, the report was written. It started with an overview of the facts. Then the connections and motives were added. It was finished with a theory that explained everything. The jury only needed one hour and Judge Roy Bean, who was one of the victims himself, will pass sentence tomorrow. My guess is the hacker will be made an offer he can't refuse and that will be the end of it.
I promised not to disclose the content of the report, but it seems the differences between those involved in sound research west of the Pecos River and Romanian noses used to smell out foxes on the other hand are quite limited indeed. We might decide to hire one, but I'm a bit worried about his manners.
For once, I will consider a thread dedicated to enormous lions breakfasting on miniature tigers, but I can't make any promises yet. I'll talk to Sanjay, Guate and Apollo and we'll see what happens.
An offer they can't reject? I don't think that's plausible nor possible. Wolverineclaws regrets what he's done, and he has surrendered already. He wants no part in this, and backed out months ago.
Vitel on the other hand, won't go down without cuffs on his hands. I can't imagine what he would want that would be possible in your mind. E.g. banning of all lion fans.
I know the full story here, nothing here do I not know. Truthfully.
08-22-2014, 08:22 AM( This post was last modified: 08-22-2014, 09:01 AM by peter )
(08-22-2014, 08:00 AM)'P Tigris' Wrote:
(08-22-2014, 07:52 AM)'peter' Wrote: As a result of the hacker and the missiles he launched, I was forced to get to the core of it in order to solve the problem once and for all. I visited the old forums, read the old crap, identified and tracked the usual suspects. When one remained, I send a number of pm's. When the conclusion I had reached was confirmed, the report was written. It started with an overview of the facts. Then the connections and motives were added. It was finished with a theory that explained everything. The jury only needed one hour and Judge Roy Bean, who was one of the victims himself, will pass sentence tomorrow. My guess is the hacker will be made an offer he can't refuse and that will be the end of it.
I promised not to disclose the content of the report, but it seems the differences between those involved in sound research west of the Pecos River and Romanian noses used to smell out foxes on the other hand are quite limited indeed. We might decide to hire one, but I'm a bit worried about his manners.
For once, I will consider a thread dedicated to enormous lions breakfasting on miniature tigers, but I can't make any promises yet. I'll talk to Sanjay, Guate and Apollo and we'll see what happens.
An offer they can't reject? I don't think that's plausible nor possible. Wolverineclaws regrets what he's done, and he has surrendered already. He wants no part in this, and backed out months ago.
Vitel on the other hand, won't go down without cuffs on his hands. I can't imagine what he would want that would be possible in your mind. E.g. banning of all lion fans.
I know the full story here, nothing here do I not know. Truthfully.
If it was about (banning) lion posters, why were tiger threads destroyed first?
If there were three posters involved at the start of the game and two had second thoughts after they saw the result, why is it they didn't act? Why do they opt for silence if they know anything they join will be destroyed?
(08-22-2014, 08:22 AM)peter Wrote: If it was about a war against lion posters, why was Copters forum (with tigers featuring) finished? Why was the tiger-extinction thread in AVA finished? Why is this forum targeted? This isn't about lions and tigers, but something entirely different. There are more loopholes and all point in one direction.
No loopholes in my mind. Rofl's AVA was never targeted - when the forums were hacked repeaditly, yuku shut down powers of all forums. Rofl's - or better, WC's - AVA was never targeted. It was easily hackable, but never was.
Again, no loopholes when you know the full story. WC and Vitel got into several fights while these hackings were going on, and that resulted in Rofl being hacked, but not used as a tool of destruction for his forum. To this day, I suppose he has control to destroy Rofl's AVA, but he doesn't. Not even getting it deleted.
Rofl challenged Vitel in the beginning, which also egged Vitel on. While he had nothing against him at first, a tension built.
Why was this forum targeted? Simple - it houses Jinen, Chaos, etc.
I spoke to Vitel not too long ago, and I got a feeling of his anticipations. No - don't blame me for not giving alert, I didn't know what he wanted to pinpoint, and if he was serious.
Why have I talked to him? He's gotten all my info illegally, I really don't have a choice sometimes. Might as well ride the wave.
That's it. Period. Very simple, yet very confusing. So much posters here don't know, sadly. It's been quite a ride for me, almost numbing me. When we can agree on things, I can disclose much more.
08-22-2014, 10:09 AM( This post was last modified: 08-22-2014, 10:19 AM by peter )
I see Paul. Here's my response.
The thread I started about tigers in AVA was a good one and it had a lot of views. When it was crapped and moved to the Premier League, it was crapped again and then destroyed. Not one lion thread was. Than other forums were dismantled. The only one that survived was the one you mentioned. And you're telling me it was about a war against lion posters?
You've been around for some time. As it was obvious you had skills and Yuku had nothing to offer but crap, I wasn't surprised about your decision to start a new forum. And this man now tells me he, like a total amateur, lost his essentials and has to walk on a leash because he lacks a real choice? Ok.
Let's try a different angle. You really lost your essentials, you fear exposure (of what?) and you, for this reason, have no option but to walk on a leash. The leash of the one who controls you in such a way that you will keep on walking for the next years. I propose to call him Dad and not Vit. Let's suppose Dad talks to his dog (you) at times. About secrets. You, of all people, know about Dad and his intentions. That's why you walk on a leash. And now you're telling me you couldn't have known about Dad's intentions regarding this forum? I see.
One more to finish with. You joined this forum, but opted for a low profile. I noticed you needed 7 hours for 14 shortish posts, most of which were not about animals. You, of course, could have used the 7 hours to read, but it isn't necessary to log in to read posts. So the question is what you did in these 7 hours. Apart from testing, I mean. Than you suddenly appear. When was that? It happened when this forum was attacked. The attack resulted in a thread about hacking. You didn't respond to posts at first, but when Jinen appeared to take a leak you responded to tell him he was wrong and to inform him about the whereabouts of the hacker. In such a way it can't be checked. Most remarkable.
There's a lot more and I'm not only referring to your computer. What I'm saying is it doesn't add up, Paul.
You know what adds up? Rumours about secrets. Rumours about a terrible entity hacking forums to hunt lion fans by destroying tiger threads (...). Rumours about everything that could result in confusion and time. Time needed to think, talk and deal in order to avoid exposure.
I'll read your response in which you will prove I made many mistakes tomorrow. I'm interested.
Seriously, Peter? Well, Ok, you can be a leashed dog and call him DAD if you wish. Maybe the whole forum should call him DAD. I however, will not.
There is no point in trying to understand the full story when you don't understand a part of it. Your opinions on what doesn't match up are very far fetched from the truth.
Sanjay is new here, and let Bruinbark be approved out of no-where. Why is he owner of a top animal site right now? I don't know. Knowledge comes with experience.
AVA was hacked completely because Perrault/Apollyon refused to ban posters like Sonny, Dalen, and Catlion. They were spamming the boards, and sometimes, it's useless to filter a gold needle from 10 kilos of crap - to put it blunty. I don't blame them now, no forum should be hacked.
But you have to think outside here, Peter. AVA had many lion fanatics, and posters like WC/Vit were banned there. Do the math here.
Now, who says I fear exposure? In fact - there's nothing to expose me on. Vit and WC have both launched cyber attacks on me. It's useless. Once they have my office number, I'm not bothering with them anymore. I don't know what you're trying to get to here. You still aren't giving me a real scenario of what you will do when you know the full story (which is very long.)
Lastly, a final point made about Sanjay (try not to ban me here) is when he encouraged posters to type nasty things in his phishing page. Very unprofessional, and not healthy for the forum at all. This will only encourage him more.
The damage is done, you can make your move. But don't expect to know the full ideology and story behind these hacks when secretly you and Sanjay are trying to "expose" the hacker who hasn't given his real IP once.
Nonetheless, goodluck. When you are ready to explain to me your full intentions and follow my request, you can learn a lot.
So P Tigris You have only this thread to post ? No other ? and that's after hacking ? If I encouraged the poster to type nasty things ? Why you are so bothered ? Are you owner of that Phishing page? and get that those nasty things ? You wants us to be silent and let him do what ever he wanted to do ? Why don't you have faith on me ? Why you start suspecting on me ? You have great Youtube channel but you never favored this website ? If you have a little respect for this place you might have promoted it ? But instead you are seeing it as competition ? Do you also want to launch some other website and considering it as your competition ?
Look MR P Tigirs -
I don't know who are you and why you are trying to be nasty with this forum. But believe me this forum Is dedicated to all animal lovers, no tiger fan, no lion fan no bear fan etc... I don't let anyone to ruin it with his childish behavior and totally hypothetical assumptions . Keep your all secret with you, I don't need it But stop playing game. I have more information about you than you have mine.
If you love animals better cooperate and show some maturity and not play spy game here.