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(01-29-2016, 12:12 AM)Polar Wrote:
(01-28-2016, 05:00 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Scroll down to 'Brown Bear Directory' page #1 and look at some of those bears pictured by Roflcopters. Some of those wild bears are fatter than any I have seen in captivity. Bears such as Bart, Bart Jr, and Brutus are probably less muscular than their wild brothers, but they are certainly not obese on bear terms. Jimbo while not truly obese is probably fatter than he should be year-round.   

This is true. I've also seen wild bears actually measured in body fat percentage far exceeding that of some captive bears. The opposite can happen as well according to treatment.

Do you have any of these studies on hand?
The true sign would be muscle mass per kg of body weight but I'm sure the data if any is minimal. But some bears going into hibernation will most certainly be fatter than a bear in the summer months. But like bro said, most captive bears are fat year round and unless they live in really cold environments they don truly go into hibernation. A perfect example of this is baloo of the blt at Noah's ark. They specifically say this.
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Dr Seuss and his best pal Bart.  
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The mighty bart...

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How tall is Dr. Seuss, by the way?
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(01-30-2016, 07:35 AM)Polar Wrote: @brotherbear


How tall is Dr. Seuss, by the way?
I don't know, but he just doesn't appear to be a short man. 
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He's not tall, that's for sure. Probably around the 5'8''-6' height range.
I'm a bit biased since I'm 6'5'' so 6' may be considered tall to some.

Back to the topic...

Don't forget about the Sloth bear, may be smaller than some of his cousins but he's still formidable...
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Male Sloth Bear in His Natural Environment!
Tadoba Andhari Tiger Reserve
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How old is the grizzly Bart ? Still alive ? I remember to have seen it in the Jean Jacques Annaud's movie "the bear" ("L'ours" in french) between 1987 and 1989. His biggest role. This movie was an adaptation of the Curwood's novel "The grizzly king" (1916).

Sorry I don't ask the question any more. I just come to read his birthday and death dates: 1977-2000.
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Bart is no longer alive, he died from Cancer. His crown has been taken over by Tank the bear.
Here is Doug, Tank and Jay Leno... It also gives you an idea of Doug's size as he looks to be the same height as Jay who is hunched over and is listed at 5'11''

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A 3.75 inches long Brown bear upper fang, and it weighs 47.7 grams.


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(02-02-2016, 01:23 AM)Spalea Wrote: How old is the grizzly Bart ? Still alive ? I remember to have seen it in the Jean Jacques Annaud's movie "the bear" ("L'ours" in french) between 1987 and 1989. His biggest role. This movie was an adaptation of the Curwood's novel "The grizzly king" (1916).

Sorry I don't ask the question any more. I just come to read his birthday and death dates: 1977-2000.
When you read "Bart the Bear" in the list of actors on a movie, any movie in the 1900s is Bart Sr. and in the 2000s is Bart Jr who is not really the son of the original. 
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The northern interior grizzly bear Ursus arctos L. by Arthur M. Pearson.

Weights, measurements, and pelage: During the five years of the study, we captured 53 different grizzlies on the study area. The sex ratio was 36bmales: 17 females. During the same period, we also captured 31 different black bears ( 23 males: 8 females ) on the area.

The average weight of 40 mature males was 139 kg ( 306 pounds ) whereas that of 21 females was 95 kg. ( 209 pounds ). The maximum size of each sex shows even greater dimorphism. The largest male weighed 240 kg ( 529 pounds ), nearly twice the weight of the largest female, 125 kg ( 276 pounds ). The large boar class can be recognized from size alone when observed free-roaming. It is not likely that many northern interior grizzlies reach a weight greater than the 240 kg ( 529 pounds ) recorded in the study. weights were also obtained of several mature males killed by hunters throughout the Yukon. The five heaviest weighed 218 ( 481 ), 203 ( 448 ), 192 ( 423 ), 175 ( 386 ), and 164 kg. ( 362 pounds ). All were killed in the late autumn and should therefore have reflected the heaviest annual weight. All were described as very large by both guide and hunter. Mature females probably never weigh more than 140 kg ( 309 pounds ): the largest killed by hunters weighed 125 ( 276 ), 120 ( 265 ), 109 ( 240 ), and 104 kg. ( 229 pounds ).

General colour: The northern interior grizzly shows a broad spectrum of colour, varying from very light yellow to a uniform dark brown, although very few animals were found at either end of the spectrum. The most common colour is a chocolate brown underfur with silver-yellow guard hairs over the neck and shoulders. There is usually a darker dorsal stripe.
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The northern interior grizzly bear Ursus arctos L. by Arthur M. Pearson.

Age determination: Previous authors have all referred to a change in the thickness of the annular zones which occurred at various ages in the specimens they studied. Craighead ( 1970 ) found that the narrower zones occurred first at 5 years of age. Similar timing was found by Mundy and Fuller ( 1964 ). On the other hand, Rausch ( 1969 ) found, in brown bears from Alaska, that the change in the thickness of the zones did not occur until the 8th or 9th year. In the Yukon, I found that the change in the thickness of the cemental zones was not a consistent feature but in no case did it occur before the 8th year. In some cases, the change did not occur until the 11th or 12th year. It is quite possible that the change in thickness of annulation is in some way related to the sexual maturity and/or growth patterns of the animal, because grizzlies do not reach sexual maturity as early in the north as they do in the south. However, this change in thickness is a definite feature of the cementum pattern in grizzly bear teeth, whatever its reason. In many cases it was quite easy to distinguish annular rings up to and including the change, but afterwards the annulations became very narrow and sometimes obscured.

...From a subjective inspection of the male sample, it appears that a break in the growth curve occurred at about 10 years of age. Therefore the male sample was divided into those 10 years and younger, and those over 10 years.

*Note: those under 10 years old ( adolescent ) and those 10 years old and up ( mature adults ).
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Great Bear Almanac by Gary Brown.

The Official Boone and Crockett Scoring System - Trophies are an important product of bear hunting, with a full mount or head, skull, and hide popular with the individual hunter. "The black bear is among the most coveted trophies in the United States," relates hunting authority Ben East in "The Ben East Hunting Book."

The largest is important to many trophy bear hunters. However, "largest" is normally difficult to determine. An official scoring system meant to record skull size is managed by the Boone and Crockett Club. The club, started by Theodore Rossevelt in 1887, ascribes to strong ethical hunting, such as fair chase, and many of its standards have been adopted by states and provinces. Recorded skulls normally originate from a fair-chase hunt, though a few were "picked up." The recorded score is the total ( inches ) of the skull length and width. Records are maintained by species of bear.
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California's Day of the Grizzly by William B. Secrest.

Ygnacio Villegas, Boyhood Days, Ygnacio Villegas' Reminiscences of California in the 1850s, Dr. Albert Shumate ( ed. ), 1983:

The grizzlies were ferocious animals and some weighed close to a ton. They were frequently eight feet in height. These animals killed many hogs, horses, sheep, and cattle. They could grab a pig and run away with it like a coyote does with a rabbit.
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California's Day of the Grizzly by Willaim B. Secrest.

George F. Kent, "Life in California in 1849," California Historical Society Quarterly, March 1941:

A few grisly bears were killed in the neighborhood this winter, and three of our men had fell in with one while out hunting & shot him in the head with a charge of buckshot, but instead of attacking them he made tracks for his den. I was out shooting that day and had parted with them but a short time before they saw the bear. The next day we got up a party to track him to his den, some six miles distant, but he was not at home, though there were traces of his recent occupancy of the cave. Some of these bears are very large, weighing in instances round 1200 to 1500 pounds. Toward the last of the winter I met a man who a few weeks before was wounded very severely by a grisly bear, and he showed me a wound on his arm that had not healed. His brother, who helped him fight the bear, was nearly killed, but had then got so as to walk about. They fired two or three balls into the bear's head before he attacked them, but he at last got away alive, though probably died in his den. This affair occurred within a few miles of our camp. Generally, these bears are very hard to kill, but a Mr. Taylor shot one near the Shingle Machine, in March, with a single bullet. This bear weighed when dressed 960 pounds. And his meat sold for $1 per pound.
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