There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
I would love to see this topic, "Bear and Big Cat anatomy" discussed in a more... shall we say educational level. I am interested in a serious discussion on comparing the grizzly to the tiger in terms of physical attributes. I have read from many sources, all from blog sites such as this one, that a big cat is stronger than a bear in terms of pulling whereas a bear is stronger in terms of pushing. Now, in pulling strength this could mean one of two things. One: for untold millions of years, big cats have used their retractable sharply-curved claws to hold and to pull down heavy struggling prey animals; such as buffalo. Evolution then has provided the big cats with strong pulling muscles in their arms and shoulders. Two: can a tiger drag a heavier carcass than a grizzly or a polar bear? There is probably no way of proving such a statement, and both the big cats and the bears are backed by many eye-witness accounts of unbelievable events. Anatomically which appears to be the stronger in regards to pulling a ton or more dead-weight?
I'm not here to argue but to learn; and hopefully will not ignite a barrage of fandom replies.
01-14-2017, 05:10 PM( This post was last modified: 01-14-2017, 05:14 PM by brotherbear )
Parvez, post #127 - excellent information. Post #106, you state that the brain of a grizzly is about the size of a human thumb - the olfactory portion of his brain is that size.
(11-27-2016, 08:52 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Parvez says: The bears must have got intimidated by the big cats. They understood that they cannot continue being carnivores (as cats have started to be dominant) or being scavengers of other's kills. This is, to put it mildly, the most ridiculous theory I have yet to read, even in the most heated big cat vs bear debates that I took part in. I will first invite any lion or tiger enthusiast reading this to respond.
This guy brother bear was begging not to enlighten everyone regarding bears and now someone comes and supports his defensive claims for bears. This is bit irking.
ainda duvido de sua avaliação. Mesmo em vídeos de grandes gatos (depois de uma rápida luta de um minuto), os participantes da luta cansam-se facilmente. Tanto os ursos como os grandes gatos são capazes de poder que quase nenhum outro grupo de mamíferos possui, por isso faz bastante sentido de que eles deveriam se cansar com mais facilidade (assumindo que eles não estão a um ritmo constante).
Mesmo assim, o registro é válido para podendo correr muito mais longe do que um felino na mesma velocidade, mesmo batendo a resistência do lobo dentro desse aspecto. Eles são melhores grapplers devido ao aumento da flexibilidade dos membros e da robusticidade, e, portanto, são capazes de fazer isso por longos períodos de tempo.
Para não mencionar os músculos de um urso são mais adequados para resistência e força bruta, que os de um canídeo ou felino, que são mais para sprints e poder explosivo. No entanto, os ursos ainda podem produzir o mesmo poder que os outros dois grupos carnívoros, mesmo com fibras menos rápidas. O motivo para isso ainda está sendo analisado pelo informativo Ursus Arctos da Carnivora.
Concordo plenamente. Ursos são extremamente resistentes.
