Human Strength

[Pckts]

(07-14-2016, 01:07 AM)Polar Wrote:

(07-14-2016, 12:51 AM)Pckts Wrote: Never could he match a world class power lifter, he couldn't match an amateur power lifter,
Remember what you and peter were discussing... How the human body will become powerful in a movement they have done repetitively and they will be strong in any movements that require those muscles.

The same goes for lifting, no man will just walk into a competition and compete with the best of the best in that field.
Olympic lifting, power lifting, strong man, cross fit and the list goes on.
Andre never lifted weights, he was awkward, uncoordinated and disabled. Is he stronger than the average man, of course, he's 400+ lbs, is he stronger than a pro strongman... not a chance, there isn't a lift you could put him in where he could out match the likes of the Mountain, Pudiowski, Samuelsson or many others.

Even though he is slow and uncoordinated, he could probably best most powerlifters/strongmen in an arm-wrestling contest and other "odd" displays of strength. Maybe he does not have to out-lift the world class powerlifters, yet just overpower them in the aforementioned things.

About your second point, I have had an exceptional few step into my nearest Gold's Gym and best the majority of the certified powerlifters in arm-wrestling bouts and one (a 213-pound carpenter/farmer of 42-years) had actually beat Robert, the strongest powerlifter in the gym, at his 660-pound squat. The carpenter/farmer had an incredible 715-pound squat. Robert was shocked at this smaller man's strength/size ratio.

The craziest part about all of this? Man stated that he never even lifted a gym weight, and hadn't even squatted an object near 715-pounds (aside from the occasional 400-pound, over-filled fertilizer compound bag.) The man rarely ever squatted the bags and usually would carry them great distances. So there are rare exceptions to your second point.

Other than that, the discussion between I and Peter remains true most of the time.

I certainly don't agree about Andre, he definitely couldn't best any world class power lifter in any of their events, maybe he wins an arm wrestling match, may be he doesn't but technique is more important there hence the videos showing small men beating massive ones.

No offense, but I don't know who this "robert" is nor this farmer so I will take this account with a grain of salt.  But I highly doubt this "farmer" could squat more than 3 times his own weight without any training.
In fact, if this alleged man wanted to, he'd only need to add 100lbs to the claimed weight to reach a raw world record
"198 804lb  Amit Sapir Canada 04/16/16 APA"
So unless you could present video or records of this alleged feat of strength, I'm certainly not going to accept or agree with it.
Edit: One more thing to note is... What are they considering a "squat"
Most gym goers don't squat correctly, they never go below parallel, essentially bending their knees at 30 to 40 degree angle and claim it as a good lift where in reality they need to go parallel at least, really below parallel for the lift to count.

But even "hypothetically", lets say it's true. Your claim of this man squatting 400lb fertilizer bags would mean that he lifts every day and he lifts heavy so he certainly isn't an example of someone with no experience.

In regards to your question about how far would qualify as "lifting"

My answer is... It doesn't matter, an inch, foot or complete deadlift... You need to be able to lift it off the ground, and a guy that DL 1000lbs would certainly be able to lift more weight an inch off the ground and thus they'd still be able to lift more than anyone else. Reply