Human Strength

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(06-01-2016, 11:32 PM)Pckts Wrote: I'm not talking about their personalities, I always hated brocks attitude but that doesn't change the fact that the guy was an absolute freak.
He played in the nfl, was a division 1 wrestling champion, UFC heavyweight champion and WWE heavyweight champion, the guy did a shooting star off the top rope aka a forward facing back flip. He was extremely explosive no matter how you slice it, Karelin was a monster as well, he is a freak in every sense of the word.

I have rolled against every athlete imaginable, there is no stronger human beings than wrestlers (the real wrestlers)
Their base is so strong it's like moving a tank on top of you, I remember training with brandon halsey (olympic lhw alternate and former middleweight champion in bellator) he had by far the strongest base I have ever felt. I also went against Fabricio Werdum numerous times
(former ufc heavyweight champ) and he was another with an amazing base, he's the best HW BJJ competitor of all time but he had 40lbs on Halsey and I'd say halsey was still close to his strength.

Have you ever went up against an NFL player, NHL player, or professional strongman in a spar or roll before? I have not yet. (But I have met Zydrunas Savickas in one of his strongman competition trips to Las Vegas, again I was not a participant.)

For me, wrestlers are just as strong as the average strongman, powerlifter, or NFL player. They all just express their strength in different ways. I agree with you on the premise that a wrestler's base is likely the strongest base out of all the four since the wrestler knows how to stabilize the base without using all of his might, yet the others still have more strength in different aspects.

The heaviest guy I went up against in my MMA joint (Winchester Jiu-Jitsu Academy, once known as MMA Institute) was 336 pounds and 7 foot, and he was more on the muscular-looking side with a buffiness to him. People within my gym remarked about his base and how he probably could maintain the strongest wrestling base and close guard (but he was not that great of a grappler). I could move him in an MMA match by initiating a sudden leg takedown/hip bump where I:

- Dropped down to a squat, grasped my opponent's leg, and placed it upon my hip.

- I than raised up from my squat and "skip-stepped" towards this guy, making him fall with my hands still grabbing the ankle portion of the pants.

- I switched the leg hold from the right side (personal point of view) of my body to the left side, and then quickly hip-bumped his leg down so that I could keep his body faced towards the side I hip-bumped him into (the left of me.)

- As soon as he raised both of his legs to turn to the other side and face me, I grabbed both of his legs whilst in the midst of his turning and performed the "inside-leg-to-outside leg sweep" (don't know the name to that move), pushed both his legs together to my right, and got access to his hip and clamped him down on his right side with my weight. The 5-minutes ended for that roll, during one of his attempts to get out of my hold.

To the Lesnar vs Karelin topic; they are both freaks, indeed. But I am talking about a deathmatch here, not their personal achievements (merely the ones which would best help them in a fight), and with the characteristics of Karelin being quite advantageous, I still give the deathmatch to him. Reply