Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws

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(02-08-2022, 03:33 AM)SpinoRex Wrote:

(02-08-2022, 02:44 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(02-08-2022, 01:54 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: That remains for all cats in such a weight class (being overweight) as i said except for these really large ones but even then they need to find that amount of food. I agree with you partly but the lion was proven to be really robust and overaveragely large in terms of body size. So i think he definetely isnt falling in the obese category but more or less overweight. In the old Carnivora forum the user waveriders estimated the length of that lion at around 205 cm based on the skeleton. (If i find the post i will quote it as i wasnt able to find it).

I dont know if you saw it. The ecologist confirmed to me that the Homob male of Pilannesberg weighed 237 kg (Pers com with the Gus van dyk --> Wildlife Biologist and responsible for the wildlife conservation now in Tswalu Kalahari)

I did not say "obese", there are not obese wild cats. I say large, fat, bulky, that is more correct for this outsider lion. I did not knew about this "Homob" male from South Africa, sound interesting. Is this a wild or a private reserve? I ask it because in South Africa is very important to know, if not we will get a semi-wild lion included in a real wild sample. Did they recorded if it had stomach content?

About what Waveriders said, honestly I don't care because that guy was more biased than a Russian in the middle of the Cold War. So I prefer to use my data to get the size of that lion, based in skulls, but even then it will be just an estimation, not the real size, and with lions we need to be very carefull as some times there are robust but short animals and others that are longer with light builds, like in any other cat honestly. At the end, any estimation can't be used as a real data, specfically for body size.

Generally those reserves called having semi-wild individuals (canned hunting and small area) have very few lions and you can easily seperate them between wild ones. The Homob male was weighed in Pilannesberg National Park and was reported that he ate before he have been weighed.

Though Waverider on that regard i think was helpful. The indications from the land rover and his estimate from the skeleton are torwards a large lion without a doubt however he estimated the height to be 100-105 cm. I saw some of your discussions with him so i can judge really as i just read some posts of him.

Interesting enough, Pilannesberg looks to be the Ngorongoro Crater of S. Africa. If it's characteristics are comparable to it's E. African Counterpart, it should be a place we look into more in regards to Lion size. Especially if they're weighing cats there since the Crater cats is impossible to get any info on. You should see if body measurements were taken, what protocol used and if they have any other cats measurements/weights available.

Just doing a quick search on them though, they seem to possess the sleeker S. African Lion frame and don't have the notorious shoulder mane seen in the Ngorongoro Crater but still look to be big cats.

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