Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws

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(02-06-2022, 09:16 PM)Pckts Wrote:

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(02-06-2022, 12:44 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Information regarding Robert kocks 272 kg empty stomach lion revealed by a user on Discord named "YusufTutWlan"
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Would agree with most part except the cattle killer thing, that´s a baseless argument. 

For all I know, that lion was a well reputed cattle killer.

Depends on the location, same as Tigers. But for Lions in E. Africa for instance, cattle killing will not be tolerated by the Masai. They’ll hunt down any Lion that kills their cattle and take any cat they can find. It’s pretty crazy when you’re driving through the Serengeti and you see children walking their livestock by themselves with little worry of Lions attacking since they’ve been trained to not take their cattle. But in Botswana they take cattle much more often.

Were the things same in 90s? The research paper said he was one of 7 or 8 lions who had serious reputation as cattle killers

No idea,
I’m just speaking on the Serengeti/Crater.
 I’m sure he was definitely bulked up on cattle. You see that with most cattle killers, generally they have more of a soft appearance from the easy kills. Also his skull is large but not the top tier which again leads me to believe he was probably a bit overweight. But regardless he was a massive lion, no doubt about it.

Note the skull was one of the biggest. A small look at the skull should be enough to understand that it was pretty robust. For a east african lions 387mm is really long and 267mm is equal to the RECORD width for wild lions. But his skull overall is extremely broad. The skeleton of that lion was also pretty long and really robust according to the guys who observed the skeleton. The lion had a total length of 300+ cm looking at the answer from Richard Kock to the user Waveriders.

Even with good amount of food..... no one reached 272 kg. For such a weight good genetics are a must have and especially body size. Also lions in that weight category are nearly always overweights except some really long individuals

There are multiple 400mm Lion skulls if I remember correctly and the claim of 300+ cm length isn’t valid, estimating length based on a visual observation scaled against your vehicle holds no weight.

The weight is obviously impressive and the Lion itself is top tier, there’s no doubt about it.

These skulls came from the lions more located in the sourthern areas. Thats the reason why 387mm for east african lion is pretty large and even for kruger lions its at least 7mm above the average.

Finally i was able to find it. Here it is.

Quote:“We carried the animal back on the roof rack of my 110 Land Rover which extended along the whole roof length of the vehicle and I recall the nose was at the front and the tail could hang over the back. If you check the 110 Land Rover dimensions you can get a rough idea of the nose to tail base length”


I remind that the wheelbase of the Land Rover Defender 110 measures 2794 mm and the roof has virtually the same length. Based on the suggestions from Prof. Kock the 272 kg lion could have easily had an equivalent total length in straight line between pegs well in excess of 300 cm and therefore a probable head-and-body length in excess of 205 cm in straight line between pegs.

It should at least give an idea of how large this male was Reply