Skulls, Skeletons, Canines & Claws

[Pckts]

(01-29-2022, 10:36 PM)epaiva Wrote: African Lion claws 

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Perfect example of why “over the curves” is less reliable. Reply

[epaiva]

(01-29-2022, 10:39 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-29-2022, 10:36 PM)epaiva Wrote: African Lion claws 

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Perfect example of why “over the curves” is less reliable.

I totally agree with you, I think it is the reason why they don’t mention measurements of claws of big cats in any research, for me the part that is really important is what they use when they attack. Reply

[GrizzlyClaws]

(01-29-2022, 10:07 PM)SpinoRex Wrote: I found some informations of (Indochinese/bengals?) tigers. I will just post the normal pictures because the websites include some really hard pictures. The following images below may be upsetting to some viewers.

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Gender of the Specimen not mentioned

The Skull, Canines and Teeth

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Claw 

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Canine

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By judging the size, it does fit that of a lioness.

The lower canine being less than 8 cm usually belongs to that of a lioness. Reply

[SpinoRex]

(01-30-2022, 02:04 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:

(01-29-2022, 10:07 PM)SpinoRex Wrote: I found some informations of (Indochinese/bengals?) tigers. I will just post the normal pictures because the websites include some really hard pictures. The following images below may be upsetting to some viewers.

Quote:https://speakupforthevoiceless.wordpress...iger-claw/

Gender of the Specimen not mentioned

The Skull, Canines and Teeth

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Claw 

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Canine

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By judging the size, it does fit that of a lioness.

The lower canine being less than 8 cm usually belongs to that of a lioness.

The canines arent "maxed out" if you look closely. Must be 9cm if straightened. Reply

[epaiva]

Giant Short Faced Bear (Arctodus simus) upper fang

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[GrizzlyClaws]

(02-02-2022, 07:22 PM)epaiva Wrote: Giant Short Faced Bear (Arctodus simus) upper fang

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Its size is still quite staggering, and it should be about the same size to that of the largest Cave bears. Reply

[epaiva]

Upper fangs of Cave Bear (left) and Short Faced Bear 

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[GrizzlyClaws]

(02-03-2022, 07:24 AM)epaiva Wrote: Upper fangs of Cave Bear (left) and Short Faced Bear 

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The SF bear got very big cat like canine teeth, where the root is less embedded, but its crown is much longer for piercing deeper into its prey. Reply

[SpinoRex]

Information regarding Robert kocks 272 kg empty stomach lion revealed by a user on Discord named "YusufTutWlan"
@GrizzlyClaws @peter @GuateGojira 

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[Charger01]

(02-06-2022, 12:44 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Information regarding Robert kocks 272 kg empty stomach lion revealed by a user on Discord named "YusufTutWlan"
@GrizzlyClaws @peter @GuateGojira 

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Would agree with most part except the cattle killer thing, that´s a baseless argument. 

For all I know, that lion was a well reputed cattle killer. Reply

[SpinoRex]

(02-06-2022, 01:10 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 12:44 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Information regarding Robert kocks 272 kg empty stomach lion revealed by a user on Discord named "YusufTutWlan"
@GrizzlyClaws @peter @GuateGojira 

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Would agree with most part except the cattle killer thing, that´s a baseless argument. 

For all I know, that lion was a well reputed cattle killer.

The story behind that argument was a other mail ig. So i dont know what they were talking about before that Reply

[Pckts]

(02-06-2022, 01:10 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 12:44 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Information regarding Robert kocks 272 kg empty stomach lion revealed by a user on Discord named "YusufTutWlan"
@GrizzlyClaws @peter @GuateGojira 

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Would agree with most part except the cattle killer thing, that´s a baseless argument. 

For all I know, that lion was a well reputed cattle killer.

Depends on the location, same as Tigers. But for Lions in E. Africa for instance, cattle killing will not be tolerated by the Masai. They’ll hunt down any Lion that kills their cattle and take any cat they can find. It’s pretty crazy when you’re driving through the Serengeti and you see children walking their livestock by themselves with little worry of Lions attacking since they’ve been trained to not take their cattle. But in Botswana they take cattle much more often. Reply

[Charger01]

(02-06-2022, 01:22 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 01:10 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 12:44 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Information regarding Robert kocks 272 kg empty stomach lion revealed by a user on Discord named "YusufTutWlan"
@GrizzlyClaws @peter @GuateGojira 

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Would agree with most part except the cattle killer thing, that´s a baseless argument. 

For all I know, that lion was a well reputed cattle killer.

Depends on the location, same as Tigers. But for Lions in E. Africa for instance, cattle killing will not be tolerated by the Masai. They’ll hunt down any Lion that kills their cattle and take any cat they can find. It’s pretty crazy when you’re driving through the Serengeti and you see children walking their livestock by themselves with little worry of Lions attacking since they’ve been trained to not take their cattle. But in Botswana they take cattle much more often.

Were the things same in 90s? The research paper said he was one of 7 or 8 lions who had serious reputation as cattle killers Reply

[Pckts]

(02-06-2022, 01:34 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 01:22 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 01:10 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 12:44 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Information regarding Robert kocks 272 kg empty stomach lion revealed by a user on Discord named "YusufTutWlan"
@GrizzlyClaws @peter @GuateGojira 

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Would agree with most part except the cattle killer thing, that´s a baseless argument. 

For all I know, that lion was a well reputed cattle killer.

Depends on the location, same as Tigers. But for Lions in E. Africa for instance, cattle killing will not be tolerated by the Masai. They’ll hunt down any Lion that kills their cattle and take any cat they can find. It’s pretty crazy when you’re driving through the Serengeti and you see children walking their livestock by themselves with little worry of Lions attacking since they’ve been trained to not take their cattle. But in Botswana they take cattle much more often.

Were the things same in 90s? The research paper said he was one of 7 or 8 lions who had serious reputation as cattle killers

No idea,
I’m just speaking on the Serengeti/Crater.
 I’m sure he was definitely bulked up on cattle. You see that with most cattle killers, generally they have more of a soft appearance from the easy kills. Also his skull is large but not the top tier which again leads me to believe he was probably a bit overweight. But regardless he was a massive lion, no doubt about it. Reply

[SpinoRex]

(02-06-2022, 01:55 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 01:34 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 01:22 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 01:10 AM)Khan85 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 12:44 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Information regarding Robert kocks 272 kg empty stomach lion revealed by a user on Discord named "YusufTutWlan"
@GrizzlyClaws @peter @GuateGojira 

*This image is copyright of its original author

Would agree with most part except the cattle killer thing, that´s a baseless argument. 

For all I know, that lion was a well reputed cattle killer.

Depends on the location, same as Tigers. But for Lions in E. Africa for instance, cattle killing will not be tolerated by the Masai. They’ll hunt down any Lion that kills their cattle and take any cat they can find. It’s pretty crazy when you’re driving through the Serengeti and you see children walking their livestock by themselves with little worry of Lions attacking since they’ve been trained to not take their cattle. But in Botswana they take cattle much more often.

Were the things same in 90s? The research paper said he was one of 7 or 8 lions who had serious reputation as cattle killers

No idea,
I’m just speaking on the Serengeti/Crater.
 I’m sure he was definitely bulked up on cattle. You see that with most cattle killers, generally they have more of a soft appearance from the easy kills. Also his skull is large but not the top tier which again leads me to believe he was probably a bit overweight. But regardless he was a massive lion, no doubt about it.

Note the skull was one of the biggest. A small look at the skull should be enough to understand that it was pretty robust. For a east african lions 387mm is really long and 267mm is equal to the RECORD width for wild lions. But his skull overall is extremely broad. The skeleton of that lion was also pretty long and really robust according to the guys who observed the skeleton. The lion had a total length of 300+ cm looking at the answer from Richard Kock to the user Waveriders.

Even with good amount of food..... no one reached 272 kg. For such a weight good genetics are a must have and especially body size. Also lions in that weight category are nearly always overweights except some really long individuals Reply