Persian Leopard (Panthera pardus saxicolor)

[LonePredator]

(04-29-2022, 10:14 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote:

(04-29-2022, 08:58 PM)LonePredator Wrote: By TBL you mean total body length, right? Well on average, a Persian Leopard’s head-body length is about 67% of it’s total length and if this Leopard’s head-body length was also 67% of the total length (if it had a normal sized tail) then this Leopard should only be about 75kg unless it is unusually bulky but it doesn’t really look much more bulkier than a normal Leopard.

I've actually got the paper that mentioned the shorter male I used as example, it was actually less than what I remember in Total Length (213 cm not 215 cm) and weighed more than what i remembered, I thought it was about 75 - 78 kg but it's actually almost 90 kg (86 kg), and it's just 213 cm in total length. 

Now about the 95 - 98 kg male I'm not sure if it was 230 cm (I remember Guate brought this convo up in the earliest pages of this thread) nor I actually remember if they specified the methods. 

(04-29-2022, 08:58 PM)LonePredator Wrote: So my guess is 85kg.Reply

Actually it's not about estimating the body size, that leopard WAS weighed, before on a carcass when it was gorged and later the day if the euthanasia after it stayed in overstress and refused to eat during the captivity. It's not about estimating the animal based on body length, I've got via instagram confirmation that the animal IS 95 - 98 kg. I don't think we even need the body measurements to back it up, the opinion of 3 vets + the official Persian leopard project page is enough for me.

It may convince you but this seems very wrong to me if the 230cm was over the curves, then I would say this weight is completely wrong. Maybe the scale was messed up or something but this seems extremely unlikely. This case is just like the 389kg claim for the Smithsonian Tiger.

Just a confirmation from Instagram is not enough to say that this weight is reliable. Even the weight of the 389kg Tiger was accepted by Indian authorities and you can probably use that weight in a debate but once I saw the picture of that Tiger, I knew that it wasn’t reliable at all.

Similarly, I think the 158kg Jaguar also seems quite unreliable but I can’t say for sure unless I get to know his head-body length but still it seems unreliable.

As for this Leopard, it’s chest girth and overall bulkiness seems normal, it’s length seems as much or only slightly higher than normal if it’s over the curves then there is NO WAY that this Leopard is 98kg.

The 86kg Leopard you are talking about could have been more bulky and hefty with a big chest girth and it’s length was likely in straight line. This Leopard doesn’t even look anything like that.

Where is the extra weight coming from? That Leopard is still made of flesh and bones after all. Reply