Persian Leopard (Panthera pardus saxicolor)

[Luipaard]

(02-09-2022, 01:49 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(02-09-2022, 01:06 AM)Luipaard Wrote: @Pckts 

Quote:Not to mention one of the cats mentioned is already considered smaller than M3 which I didn't even know at the time when I said he was more impressive. Adding to the fact that he's been captured and said to be in the 70kg range

You lost me here. Which male mentioned is considered smaller than Borna/M3?

The one with the Boar since he's from the same Location and M3 is the largest captured in the region. 
I probably misread in regards to M3 being larger than this male, I think you're probably speaking on M3 being the largest of the ones actually captured?
Regardless, you guys are making way too many assumptions based off this video. I just watched it again and numerous issues occur.
For one, he's being filmed from 100s of meters away, he's being zoomed in on just to get a good glimpse

Next is the fact that the boar is completely devoured and in front of the Leopard so comparing him to that Boar is pointless. 
Trying to make an assertion that this male is somehow larger than the ones actually captured based off of this video is impossible especially since his muscle composition isn't anything special in comparison.

 Also, you asked how M3 would be less than M4 if M3's body dimensions are larger?
There are numerous ways, shoulder height differences which of course isn't specified, chest girth, limb and neck girth as well as food content. Of course since none of those are described there is no way to know, all we can go off of is the mention of his weight by the capturing facility. This of course is the same issue seen in any big cat, and it's why the longest cat isn't always the heaviest.

Quote:The one with the Boar since he's from the same Location and M3 is the largest captured in the region. I probably misread in regards to M3 being larger than this male, I think you're probably speaking on M3 being the largest of the ones actually captured?

As I've stated before, yes the wild boar killer and M1, M2, M3 and M4 all originate from Tandoureh National Park, which lies in Northeastern Iran. I never said M3 is larger than this male. The same source that said he was at least 70kg claimed him to be the biggest leopard they captured:

Quote:He was the largest leopard we investigated there and was famous among visitors to the park due to the stunning pictures so many were able to take of him.

Link: http://future4leopards.org/borna-found-dead/

The biggest one they captured on paper was M4 weighing in at 75kg which means M3 weighed more than 75kg. This is very likely M4:

IMO, M3 looks bigger and bulkier:

Quote:Regardless, you guys are making way too many assumptions based off this video. I just watched it again and numerous issues occur. For one, he's being filmed from 100s of meters away, he's being zoomed in on just to get a good glimpse

Next is the fact that the boar is completely devoured and in front of the Leopard so comparing him to that Boar is pointless.

In the video you see a wild boar kill. You can't tell if it's devoured or not because like you said they zoomed in from a distance. So we're not allowed to guesstimate the leopard's size because of him being zoomed it but at the same time you can conclude the carcass is devoured? That's not fair.

Quote:Trying to make an assertion that this male is somehow larger than the ones actually captured based off of this video is impossible especially since his muscle composition isn't anything special in comparison.

You've said that before yes, them being not anything special. Still you're part of a minority since everyone agrees that the wild boar killer male is massive including the person who decided to upload the video (i.e. the title of the video). And no, I don't believe it's the biggest leopard in the world. But him being a large male? I think there's no debate about this.

Again, the wild boar gives some perspective given the fact that wild boars in Iran are quite large and it's clearly an adult, not a piglet. Even if you believe it's devoured, the front side is never consumed and it clearly appears intact.

Quote:Also, you asked how M3 would be less than M4 if M3's body dimensions are larger? There are numerous ways, shoulder height differences which of course isn't specified, chest girth, limb and neck girth as well as food content. Of course since none of those are described there is no way to know, all we can go off of is the mention of his weight by the capturing facility. This of course is the same issue seen in any big cat, and it's why the longest cat isn't always the heaviest.

I only said M3 was longer despite being younger. The main reason why M3 is bigger is simply because they stated him to be the largest they investigated as I've shown twice already. M3 was never weighed hence why they were conservative by saying at least 70kg. Yet they were sure about him being the largest so this puts him above M4 the 75kg male. You're the ony who thinks he's (was since he's dead) actually 70kg exact. Reply