Persian Leopard (Panthera pardus saxicolor)

[Pckts]

(02-08-2022, 05:36 AM)LoveAnimals Wrote:

(02-08-2022, 04:51 AM)Pckts Wrote: will never buy his alleged weight. He didn't look that size then or now, he was reported multiple weights as well as disregarded by both Mohammad and Kambiz and his total length was shorter than the larger Persians used that all weighed less than 90kg.

You're free to believe it was not as I've also shown you in the size comparisons thread that it exactly was about the same size as that 94 kg Jaguar.

Anyways the cat is confirmed by the email of the vet that Balam sent on modern weights and measurements of wild leopards. As much as it's confirmed on here

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Now if you find it too small at first sight to be 95 kg, what about this male? 

First. Guess estimate its weight. 

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Done? I bet you guessestimated 60 kg at best. Well guéss what for how small it looks It's weight is 85 kgs! 

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So you see, a large frame is not always needed

Animals of same species are never perfect clones of each other. 
It's pretty common that we see animals being at similar height or lengths and weight but some have longer fingers or larger feet or have larger skulls. Some animals are taller and more lanky while others carry more weight around. One example is that a Namibian leopard was 262 cm in TBL and an Indian one was about 261 cm in TBL. 
The same size? Not if I told you that the Namibian one weighed 96.5 kgs and the Indian one weighed 78 kgs, a negligible difference.

Now regarding size comparison

85 kgs vs 95 kgz

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Whether to me it does look fair. You may still disagree. It's your opinion I ain't going on debate with you. I do respect your opinion although I believe it's very clear how the 95 kg is reliable

You may not be aware but again this Leopard is now claimed to be 115kg again.
And in no way does it compare to a 115kg Jaguar. 

Just to give you an idea, this is a 110kg Jaguar head

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and this is M15,  115kg Jaguar 

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and this is Brutus who was 110kg during this first capture then 120kg a month later when full bellied 

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There is a big difference between showing Mvumba at 85kg compared to this male right? Visual or not, Mvumba looks like a much smaller cat and in fact, he is. He's 55 lbs smaller than Brutus in each capture.  This is generally the case with such differences, if we're splitting hairs and talking about a cat that's within a few kg's of the other, than of course it's not going to be obvious. Or if the positioning is different but when they are in fairly similar positions, it's going to stand out. 
And Mvumba being more densely than the Persian in question, is still more believable that he weighs the amount mentioned. He's also most likely full bellied and his true weight would be near the 70-75kg range, which is fine for his dimensions. 

That being said, we've debated the Persian  until we're blue in the face, but I've seen enough big cats with verified measurements to in person and from Social Media to have a good sense of similarities in size when in certain positions compared to humans. And from my perspective, I don't buy it. Simple as that Reply