Persian Leopard (Panthera pardus saxicolor)

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(02-08-2022, 05:22 AM)LoveAnimals Wrote:

(02-08-2022, 04:51 AM)Pckts Wrote: Spot patterns look a bit off between the two *Look directly beneath eye and go down*
Could be the camera resolution but they look different no?

Oh here it comes my favorite hobby. Identifying leopards based on spot pattern! Yes. They do compare. It's just that it's in different positions and the skin is stretched because of the collar in  the first image and it's more floppy in the second one as there's no collar :

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It's Vin Diesel in both, there's no bigger evidence than this. 

I also compared its body spots to other images of him. They do compare.

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The most easily recognizable ones are that large rosette on its waist with a little spot inside of it. Making it a jaguar-like rosette. And the other one is the very visible amount of dots aligned on its front limb that create a vertical stripe. 

(02-08-2022, 04:51 AM)Pckts Wrote: regardless the weight claim is no different than the others who've claimed weights from 2nd hand sources that turned out to be false. 

This is a subjective estimate. I could say the same about hunting records. Hunting records are prone to exagerrate and from the same sources of 400 kg siberian tigers where were reliable hunting record. So just if some claims are prone to exagerrate (we are humans... That's our nature lol) doesn't mean that ALL claims are prone to exagerrate.

(02-08-2022, 04:51 AM)Pckts Wrote: Also, he does look better when he's full bellied compared to the images I posted

No evidence that it was full belly. That was in his prime and the other ones past his prime. This is his last sighting :

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Old and skinny, before death. So the image you posted first don't depict him in his prime. He does compare to Mawenzi in his prime, if not even larger. Oh well. This is just subjective as we'll never know 

(02-08-2022, 04:51 AM)Pckts Wrote: He didn't look that size then or now, he was reported multiple weights as well as disregarded by both Mohammad and Kambiz and his total length was shorter than the larger

(02-08-2022, 05:36 AM)LoveAnimals Wrote:

(02-08-2022, 04:51 AM)Pckts Wrote: will never buy his alleged weight. He didn't look that size then or now, he was reported multiple weights as well as disregarded by both Mohammad and Kambiz and his total length was shorter than the larger Persians used that all weighed less than 90kg.

You're free to believe it was not as I've also shown you in the size comparisons thread that it exactly was about the same size as that 94 kg Jaguar.

Anyways the cat is confirmed by the email of the vet that Balam sent on modern weights and measurements of wild leopards. As much as it's confirmed on here

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Now if you find it too small at first sight to be 95 kg, what about this male? 

First. Guess estimate its weight. 

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Done? I bet you guessestimated 60 kg at best. Well guéss what for how small it looks It's weight is 85 kgs! 

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So you see, a large frame is not always needed

Animals of same species are never perfect clones of each other. 
It's pretty common that we see animals being at similar height or lengths and weight but some have longer fingers or larger feet or have larger skulls. Some animals are taller and more lanky while others carry more weight around. One example is that a Namibian leopard was 262 cm in TBL and an Indian one was about 261 cm in TBL. 
The same size? Not if I told you that the Namibian one weighed 96.5 kgs and the Indian one weighed 78 kgs, a negligible difference.

Now regarding size comparison

85 kgs vs 95 kgz

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Whether to me it does look fair. You may still disagree. It's your opinion I ain't going on debate with you. I do respect your opinion although I believe it's very clear how the 95 kg is reliable

(02-08-2022, 05:52 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(02-08-2022, 05:46 AM)LoveAnimals Wrote: It's bad we lack data on Aberdare leopards isn't it. To me they are the only leopards that can rival if not even exceed the Persians in size.
We have only two records from there, both hunting records that might be reliable and both are 90+ kg males. The 92.5 kg male hunted by Tony france and the estimated 90-100 kg male. Which is a very large individual so it's probably lucky. Maybe those areas produce huge males as regular as persian ones? We'll never know. But we can say they look impressive.

This male below is dope. 

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This male has by far the largest and WIDEST skull I've ever seen on a live leoaord

It looks like a jaguar, honestly. Also leopards in the Congo area, where there are no lions, are also reputed to be of great size.

Other population is that of Sri Lanka, but I don't remember specimens as massive as these males from Aberdares, Congo and Iran. Maybe other people may present information from other areas.

I think that the difference is more about mass than body size. I checked all the sizes on the Indian leopards and I doubth that any big African or Iran leopard can surpass those lengths "between pegs". So is just about massiveness probably.

Indian leopards are very long yeah, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a gorged looking Indian leopard or one with a large abdomen yet in weight studies they’re just as heavy as African leopards (on avg). Indian leopards have long bodies and broad heads just like Persian leopards, but you can tell the weight difference between two avg sized individuals would be due to the Persian leopard having a bulkier body and also due to Persian leopards being more well fed. Reply