Persian Leopard (Panthera pardus saxicolor)

[Pckts]

(02-08-2022, 04:34 AM)LoveAnimals Wrote:

(02-08-2022, 03:37 AM)Pckts Wrote: Lastly, he certainly doesn't look like a 90kg Leopard to me. In comparison, the male I mentioned was captured, collared and measured as well as compared to other males of similar dimensions with none reaching 80kg let alone 90kg. 

Again, visual estimates can be way off. Just because you estimate it to not be close to be over 80 kg it doesn't mean it was not. Remember the persian leopard you said it looked nothing close to 100 kg (as 95 kg is close to 100 kg) while it actually WAS that large. So you should also be very Descartes-like when making estimates. Like still having some doubts because you know, visual estimates are tricky. 

I will always use Mawenzi 83 kg as example because he's literally the perfect example for comparing male leopards. 
Mawenzi is massive but has also a nice sized belly fold, without it this is his real physique. 
He's rather lean and athletic to be a only 7 kgs far from 90 kgs right? 

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But still. He's a confirmed 80+ kg male

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Now, we know that Vin diesel was allegedly "weighed when they removed its collar. Let's see how it looked in its prime

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Now he DOES look comparable to 83 kg Mawenzi, at least to me. In some images, he also seems to be more massive especially the first ones. I'd say it's safe to estimate him at 80+ kg. Now you're free to estimate him the way you want. But you can't deny that he DOES compare to Mawenzi. Who is also pretty lean but still well over the average leopard.

(02-08-2022, 03:37 AM)Pckts Wrote: Nor was he collared, if he were collared we'd be able to obtain capture info far easier.

FYI, Vin Diesel was collared :
As far as I know, that's a collar 

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. And he looks pretty massive here aswell^
Mawenzi tier. 


About the messages I was just referring to this your old post. Where did you get this info? And yes he was collared as I already said, there is literally his image of him walking close to a road with the collar being clearly visible so it's likely that he was first weighed when they added the collar and then when they removed it. Of course it's still not verified but it COULD be likely. 

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Spot patterns look a bit off between the two *Look directly beneath eye and go down*
Could be the camera resolution but they look different no?

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 but it's possible, regardless the weight claim is no different than the others who've claimed weights from 2nd hand sources that turned out to be false. 
Also, if that is Vin Diesel that really shows you the difference when the dewlap is actually pulled tight compared to when it droops. 
Also, he does look better when he's full bellied compared to the images I posted. 

Quote:Again, visual estimates can be way off. Just because you estimate it to not be close to be over 80 kg it doesn't mean it was not. Remember the persian leopard you said it looked nothing close to 100 kg (as 95 kg is close to 100 kg) while it actually WAS that large. So you should also be very Descartes-like when making estimates. Like still having some doubts because you know, visual estimates are tricky. 

Regardless of what was said about that Leopard, I will never buy his alleged weight. He didn't look that size then or now, he was reported multiple weights as well as disregarded by both Mohammad and Kambiz and his total length was shorter than the larger Persians used that all weighed less than 90kg. Shorter than the male M3 I posted btw, just for reference. 

Mawenzi is a big and beautiful cat, he looks large no matter when you see him with a solid physique. More impressive to see an 80kg African/Indian Leopard than Persian IMO, just because the cold weather forces the cat to have more fat. It's much the same as comparing Amur to Bengals in my book. Reply