Impressive Wild Jaguars - Pictures and Videos

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(09-01-2014, 01:50 PM)Apollo Wrote:

(09-01-2014, 06:33 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: @Apollo 

not nessecaeraly true, neiather in strength or size does a jaguar stand a chance against a male lion/tiger, and he would stand no chance in a fight to death, but that he could have sucseded defending himself there's no doubt about! A leopard killing a tigress, male leopards surviveing attacks from several Lions, a large jaguar male almost twize The weight of an Indian male leopard, would walk out of a fight with a male lion/tiger alive more often then not IMO, but only by defending not by fighting! 

 

At first that tigress was a cub, comparing a young subadult tigress with adult male leopard doesnt make sense. We also dont know the status of that cub before that incident. Why the subadult was out on her own without her mother's protection in the first place. Most importantly youngsters will lack the skills, courage and experience when facing an opponent. There are many subadult males (tigers and lions) being dominated by adult females eventhough the males are much bigger.

Regarding the 4 lionesses and the male leopard and 3 lionesses vs leopard, if those lionesses really wanted to kill those leopards, they could have done it in seconds. But they were not totally into killing. 

These kind of incidents are unusually rare events and not the norm, its like saying that one warthog stood against a lioness and thus warthogs can defend against lions and a female cheetah stood her ground against an adult male lion, wildebeest stood against lions etc etc.

The norm is these animals will be killed plain and simple. And no jaguar can walkout of a fight against male tiger or male lion. In general if there is a fight the jaguar will either be killed by the male tiger/male lion or will just run for its life and try to hide or climb a tree. This is not defending or repelling, its just running for its life. Even cheetahs, leopards and some small cats will do this.


 

I think it´s not that easy. For instance I know about a case when male leopard successfully repelled an attack of a male lion (lion had to be treated by vet). Yes, Lion is much bigger and if he really wanted to kill the leopard, he would be succesfull. But in that case the lion didn´t need to kill the leopard, he could back off - he lost nothing. But the leopard was fighting for his life. There is a difference in motivation. Lion could kill the leopard, but probably with some injuries...and for him it was better to back off and avoid further injuries then to kill the leopard.

Once again: if lion/tiger really wanted to kill a jaguar (even with injuries), the jaguar would stand a little chance - there is no dispute.

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