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(08-04-2020, 05:57 PM)Balam Wrote:

(07-29-2020, 09:01 AM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: Video from 2014

IOP

Cerrado jaguars with cattle kills in farms.

Note just like some collared individuals in the video captured by IOP there's a big Cerrado male with collar at 2:24min. I wonder how heavy he was.

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I'm just seeing this but that jaguar you mentioned in the video appears to be the same one as the one in the picture below. Needless to say, he's huge, looks just as big as a hefty Pantanal male wow. I'm so annoyed at IOP for not releasing his weight, I'd put him in the same category looks wise as Caricare Llanos male, so I'm guessing he would also be around 120 kg in weight. Cattle really does bring up the size potential of jaguars.

@Balam  How did you answer my post from the predation thread here??  


Yes the Cerrado jaguar on the pic I left bellow the video is the same one I mentioned, I posted that photo on purpose hahaha. he was a massive cerrado male probably on Tiago's level or even above and IOP captured him back in 2014 and chances are we'll never get to even know the name of this animal, let alone its size.

Cerrado jaguars reaching 120 kg isn't a surprise for me and I believe neither for any of us here, since the largest cerrado male we know of is an unknown male who reached 118 kg so I believe cerrado jaguars aren't just able to reach 120 kg but also able to surpass it in my opinion and yes they indeed rival Pantanal and Llanos jags in size as you mentioned.

And after seeing many large cerrado jaguars in the northern section I am starting to think these animals from Cerrado average size is really 100 kg, they're really underrated around here.



I gotta agree with you and I am very frustrated with IOP, only God knows the tons of messages ( including private ones ) I already left for them and getting just nothing.


Yesterday they dropped a map on where Ariane cerrado female have been the last months with her pic along with Annah ( I think you may have already seen it ) and by no means they revealed Ariane's size.


I recall something @Rishi said in the tiger weight measurements thread which I completely agree with ''Even today, even amongst scientific community. The size is least of their concerns.''

For our unhappiness Its very true.


Overlap in territory and territory expansion and knowing where these animals walk is much more important than sizes here in Brazil ( not saying its not important by no means at all ). and that's what we get from IOP every once in a while a publish on Collar map on where cerrado jaguars have been to, but its not what we really want.

And many other jaguars studies published in Brazil too, I've seen studies with jaguars captured in Amazon, Atlantic Forest including areas they surpass 100 kg, they launch all data possible in the study with tables of jaguars/Pumas captured of even more than 10 individuals except the basic data ( the weight ) its horribly incredible.

In the past whenever I ran into jaguars studies I was always amazed to get to see it in order to find out the sizes of the individuals captured for the study but after many frustrations I don't get that much excited seeing a study anymore, chances of sizes reveals are very scarce and I am talking about cases where the animals are really captured and completely verified.

It is important to study all the aspects of the animals that's great, but not unveiling the basic data ( the weight ) it literally won't give us ( readers ) a clue on how well conserved the enrviornment these animals are living in is specially on prey base which the weight of the animal will give a clue.


What frustrates me the most is that I am dying to know more on Cerrado jags sizes but we just don't get it, I even trying to get in contact with someone inside IOP but I think the person doesn't have social medias hahaha. So we're back to square zero again.


And just to let you know in case IOP manages to capture the misterious Big Cerrado male jaguar, don't get too excited because they won't reveal his weight and in case this capture happens I will quickly try to get in contact with Jorge and Gediendson to get his weight and lets hope they both will participate of the capture because both Jorge and Gediendson already told me they don't know Rogério cerrado male size cause they weren't there in cerrado the day of Rogério's capture.


I am also trying to get in contact with NEX Institution to get the measurements of 110 kg Xangô Cerrado male but with no responses, I also messaged Maite ( she measures the wild jags on Onças do Rio Negro team and Reprocon too ) to get the measurements of 130 kg Sossego and 134 kg Matheus/Manco, she already saw my message 2 weeks ago but she didn't answer it.


Onçafari who monitores Maned Wolves in Cerrado now has just unveiled the first capture of a Cerrado jaguar, a female named Lua ( moon ) from Pousada Trijunção but as you can see in the official publishment there is no weight statement   .

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