Big cat and Bear tale

[Apex Titan]

(01-20-2023, 12:35 AM)Matias Wrote: Until then, despite the grueling months that this subject dominated the tiger's thread, saw no problem with @Apex Titan  synthesizing and including narratives that favor his point of view. After all, always wanted to prove that Siberian tigers beat big brown bears. 

Every narrative of unwitnessed predation generates plentiful interpretations and deductions, and possibly all of them are capable of fostering a good story; the question: facts x interpretations (including contexts that cannot be properly measured) give rise to multiple insights. Apex has been free to post what he wants for all this time - This is what happens when discussing themes that cannot be built into a concrete reality where Science finds support. All your need to “have the last word” is too revealing and shows that you don't accept disagreements. Not only do you dismiss all the considerations of those who try to place themselves within this subject, as @LandSeaLion . You just want your narrative to prevail.

The subject became too polluted… we can't find the best points, they were lost in pages and more pages saying basically the same thing.

"He who needs to post more than 30 times on the same subject, will not be able to prove his point the next time"

Wildfact, this discussion needs to have an end.

At least, for me, it's over!

Once again Matias, you have failed to understand. How many times do I, or Peter have to explain this to you?  Why doesn't it sink in?  

Did I invade the (well-moderated) tiger extinction thread and start posting about tigers and bears? NO. Who let me? Peter did. Who invited me? Peter did. And why? because he's also interested in this topic as well. Stop pointing the finger only at me. Why do you keep failing to comprehend this?

If you really think my posts were just trying to prove that "Siberian tigers beat big brown bears", then you are absolutely wrong. The reason for my posts was to provide plenty of information on tigers hunting bears, so we can get a clearer picture on this particular topic and also debunk some old myths and misconceptions. Thats why!

Just because the vast majority of information, accounts and reports from biologists and various other experts, overwhelmingly favors the tiger, doesn't mean I'm trying to prove tigers dominate or beat large brown bears. The information will naturally favour the tiger most of the time, because its the tiger who is the pure predator, it is the tiger who deliberately seeks out and kills brown bears, it is the tiger who is the hunter, and it is the brown bear who is the hunted, not vice versa. So when I post all this info on tiger and bear interspecific relations etc, obviously the accounts will generally favor the tiger. But you automatically assume that I'm trying to "prove" something, which is ridiculous. Its just that most of the info heavily favors tigers, thats all. Is that my fault? NO.

Its not that I "don't accept disagreements" or dismiss all other considerations, its just that I like to deal with evidence and facts. Whereas people like you and 'LandSeaLion' love to post only your speculations and guesswork most of the time.

Once a debate or discussion gets heavily involved in speculation, wild assumptions and opinions of others, then that road leads to nowhere. We'll keep going around and around in circles wondering about this and that, which is pointless. I can easily speculate that flying pigs exist somewhere, but what does that prove? Nothing.

And thats what you offer most of the time, is guesswork. Thats the big difference between me and you, I deal with evidence and what the actual real, highly trained and experienced experts reported and concluded, whereas your just making guesses about other possibilities and offering your personal (which proves nothing) opinion.

I didn't dismiss you or 'LandSeaLion', I just don't agree with your lots views and opinions, which is mostly based on guesswork. Is there something wrong with that?

Next time you have a problem with my posts on tigers and bears, just contact Peter and complain to him. He'll explain it to you, once again! Don't bother me. Reply