ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris)

[Apex Titan]

@Shadow 

I've noticed that 99% of your posts are based on speculation and guesswork, on top of that, your ignoring my questions. Again, for some reason, your very hesitant and unwilling to contact Batalov, why? Is it because you know that he'll tell you that Ochkarik killed Chlamid?

Its a fact that Ochkarik killed and ate a bear, which he severely fattened up on, now which bear was this? Sounds like a large bear. This could have been Chlamid.

Then you accuse a highly respected authority like Batalov of making up stories for entertainment, which is a BIG claim that you need solid evidence to support, but you can't. Where's your proof? You then compare Batalov to Jim Corbett, but here's the big difference you need to realize, Corbett was a British hunter, tracker and author of popular literature books, whereas Batalov is a renowned scientific expert, biologist and conservationist who has published over 40 scientific studies on tiger behaviour and sustainable forestry. He's also one of Russia's top leading bear specialists and the director of the Durminskoye Forest Reserve. Now where's the comparison?

You can't compare Corbett to Batalov, period. Its a terrible comparison.

You also claimed that male brown bears don't have to worry about tigers, based on what evidence? Lev Kaplanov, ( Considered by many as the greatest Amur tiger biologist ) observed a very large male brown bear showing blatant fear of tigers and retreating from a male tigers tracks:

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Now, why did a very large male brown bear retreat from a male tigers tracks and flee from a tiger family?  And why did John Vaillant ( who interviewed many experts ) state that even a 1000 lb brown bear has been known to flee at the sight of a tiger?

There is no clear evidence that proves that male brown bears have "nothing to worry" about from tigers. The account from Kaplanov shows that at least some individual ( Even huge males ) male brown bears do fear tigers. The very large male brown bear in the Kaplanov account clearly behaved in a way which showed that the bear sensed its predator.

In his publication on the summer life of Amur tigers, Batalov reported that tigers regularly prey on bears in the summer, and some individual male tigers will attack almost any bear:


"In the summer, the tigers' food intake increases: except ungulates, badgers, raccoon dogs and bears are increasingly appearing in the diet. At the same time, the pressure of predation on ungulates decreases. This is explained by with the appearance of broods, adult females of deer and wild boars become secretive and live in a limited area. Badgers and bears, on the other hand, lead an active lifestyle, especially at twilight and at night. Moving noisily in the forest in search of food or mates, they become easy prey for tigers. Adult male tigers, depending on states of hunger and self-confidence can attack almost any animal."


You stated that Ochkarik taking revenge is "not a realistic option", again based on what evidence though?  Its a well known fact, reported by numerous experts, that tigers are very vindictive and vengeful animals that have been documented doing premeditated revenge killings. Batalov also stated this, that tigers are clever with a capacity for premeditated revenge. So its very likely that Ochkarik took revenge on the huge bear and killed him.

Based on observations made by biologists and hunters, tigers will even kill bears solely on principle:

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The problem here is, that your ignoring evidence and observations made by actual experts, and basing your opinion off of pure speculation and your own made-up theories. We need facts and evidence, not opinions and speculations.

Again, there is a confirmed account proving that even some very large male brown bears show fear of tigers, so its more than likely that Chlamid got scared and avoided Ochkarik. After all, even Batalov and the hunting experts thought that this was the case. Batalov never once stated that he thinks the bear fled because of the hunters, he specifically reported that it was because of the tiger Ochkarik.

You complain about speculations, but thats what you do most of the time. All you have to do is contact Batalov again and ask him, so we can clear this up, but your refusing too.

You can make all the claims you want about tigers and bears in the RFE, but at least post the evidence and accounts to back up your claims. Otherwise your claims are meaningless.

We need to post evidence to avoid a fruitless discussion, agree?

And in those articles, it wasn't "different stories" told, it was just different DETAILS mentioned by the journalists, nothing contradictory though. Remember, those articles were about Batalov's life, work and experiences, not about the Ochkarik and Chlamid incident. That case was mentioned briefly, so whats the big deal? The journalists don't have to go into full details about that case. Reply