Freak Specimens

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(06-19-2014, 11:06 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:

(06-19-2014, 10:54 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:

(06-19-2014, 10:00 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:

(06-19-2014, 09:24 PM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:

(06-19-2014, 09:10 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:

(06-19-2014, 08:24 PM)'GuateGojira' Wrote:

(06-19-2014, 07:15 AM)'Siegfried' Wrote: Here are both jaglions at Bear Creek. The male is very impressive looking.

 

Amazing video. Did you want to see the "real" Panthera atrox? Then, you most see the jaglions. I bet that the skull of these cats is equal to that of Panthera atrox.

GrizzlyClaws is absolutely right, a jaglion most be more healthy than a liger or tigon, as jaguars and lions are more closely related. However, following this path, the most "healthy" of the hybrids most be the "lion x leopard" mix, as these two separated about 550,000 years ago, even after than the separation of the cave "lion" (Panthera spelaea) at about 700,000 years ago.
 






 

Panthera atrox is american lion right ?
Ive heard they are twice as big as African lions ?
But these jaglions are smaller than african lions.
Then how come they are equal ?
I saw a pic of atrox and african lion skull (from Bold) and the skull of atrox is double the size.
 





 

Panthera atrox is a hybrid of Panthera spelaea fossilis and Panthera onca gombaszoegensis, so they should look like a giant jaglion.
 




 

How big and heavy were P.atrox ?
 



 

The largest specimen should weigh about 800 pounds.
 


 

I thought they averaged at around 800-900 lbs.
What is there body dimensions (height, length)
What is there average weight ?
Can you give me some more info on these cats.
I guess the articles I read should be out dated.

 

Apollo:
 
You: I thought they averaged at around 800-900 lbs.
Me: No, the average weight of Panthera atrox was about 250 kg. Check my previous post for size comparison. Besides, if we use the skulls size as a surrogate of overall size, only 3 from 18 skulls (17%) were larger than the modern African lions or Bengal tiger skulls.
 
You: What is there body dimensions (height, length)?
Me: This is the official data from the Museum of California, copy here by the San Diego Zoo:
* Head and Body Length: 1.6 - 2.5 m (5.3 - 8.2 ft) (Shaw 2005)
* Tail Length: .5 - .8 m (1.7 - 2.7 ft) (Shaw 2005)
Source: http://library.sandiegozoo.org/factsheet...erican.htm
The maximum shoulder height estimated by Turner & Anton (1996) was of 125 cm.
 
You: What is there average weight?
Me: It depends of the sources. The page of the San Diego Zoo still quote the figure of 235 kg for males and 175 kg from Gingrich (1990), but this is probably and underestimation. Legendre & Roth (1988) estimated an average figure of 266.2 kg for males and 183.1 kg for females. Christiansen & Harris (2009) calculated an average weight of 255.6 kg for males (no average for females is presented). Finally, Wheeler & Jefferson (2009), using several formulas, found an average weight of 251 kg for males and 178 kg for females. The huge results of up to 500 kg came from the formulas of Anyonge (1993), but his results are invalid as he mixed the data of bears, dogs and cats, giving unreliable results (Christiansen & Harris, 2005). So, taking in count all the data, an average figure of about 250 kg for males and about 178 kg for females, are the most reliable.
 
You: Can you give me some more info on these cats.
Me: Yes, I can, but it will take time and it will depend of what data do you need.
 
You: I guess the articles I read should be out dated.
Me: 100% agree. Most of the sources in the internet came from old books, some of them even for children. If we want the true data, you most dig and dig, and like me, you will found that many statements in popular books and the internet, are just false, at any light.
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