Mangheni Pride

[Tylermartin!]

(09-02-2023, 02:34 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:

(09-02-2023, 02:07 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote:

(09-02-2023, 01:31 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(09-01-2023, 10:13 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote:

(09-01-2023, 09:19 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(09-01-2023, 08:03 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: True and probably the number 1 coalition but they also were involved in the inbreeding with the nkuhuma pride and the torchwood pride

im confused how so?   can you elaborate?  how are they in-breeding in the Nkuhuma?  or TW for that matter?


is it becuase there are Matimba offspring in those prides?   cause while that is the case and both came from the Birmingham pride....theyre from different generations sired by different males.

Aren’t the matimbas the uncles of the Birmingham males the Birmingham males sired cubs with the matimbas daughters some of the Birmingham males are sired by sisters and mothers of the matimbas no? Either way matimbas are related to the Birmingham but to your point maybe not as much because of nduna but they are related just like the prides the mbiri males have taken over and the northern black dam males

Yes but I guess I don’t consider that in-breeding.

The least diverse combination would be if a Birmingham happened to be the son of a littermate to the Matimba sure that happened to be who that  particular Birmingham mates with.    Hopefully you see what I’m trying to illustrate.  

In-breeding to me is what’s happening in the Mbiri pride w Mandevu and Ncila.   And what could happen soon w RRM with his daughters in Nharu.    Those females are 38-40 months old and could enter estrus soon.

You can’t consider one inbreeding and not the other they both are they are related and mating doesn’t matter how closely related It’s inbreeding and I just read today that the reason there aren’t many cubs in the pride are because of mandevu and ncile BUT that is close inbreeding and Birmingham males it’s not closely related inbreeding but it’s still inbreeding you can’t say it’s not when they came from the same pride and have the same mothers and aunts all that kinda stuff that we don’t know but can 100% assume

Mandevu and Nchile are 100% mating with their mothers and sisters. The Nkuhuma pride weren't mating with their fathers or brothers, that's the difference. Yes it does matter how closely related the lions are, that's nonsense. Mating with a nephew, niece, cousin or more distant cousin is not the same thing as mating with a sibling or parent.

But it’s still I inbreeding Yes or no and how many cubs are in the mbiri Pride? Reply

[Tylermartin!]

Still not sure how to post things on here but I hope the post was new but bad teeth has at least one cub confirmed so now 10 cubs in the pride Reply

[lionuk]

(09-02-2023, 07:53 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: But it’s still I inbreeding Yes or no and how many cubs are in the mbiri Pride?

Currently they have 3 cubs that are under 2 years old,, from 2 lionesses, one of those lionesses is Mbiri males' sisters. The 2nd Mbiri males' sister is the mother of Junior Matimba the 2nd and his sister. The three other lionesses don't have cubs at the moment. Reply

[BA0701]

(09-05-2023, 01:47 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote: Still not sure how to post things on here but I hope the post was new but bad teeth has at least one cub confirmed so now 10 cubs in the pride

Not sure what you are trying to post, and I know it's been posted before, but this link should help by providing some tutorials. We also invite everyone to PM any of the Mods, if you have questions, or need any sort of help with things on the site.

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[Tylermartin!]

(09-05-2023, 03:24 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-05-2023, 01:47 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote: Still not sure how to post things on here but I hope the post was new but bad teeth has at least one cub confirmed so now 10 cubs in the pride

Not sure what you are trying to post, and I know it's been posted before, but this link should help by providing some tutorials. We also invite everyone to PM any of the Mods, if you have questions, or need any sort of help with things on the site.

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Thank you it’s a instagram post of bad teeth and her new cub Reply

[BA0701]

(09-05-2023, 06:13 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote:

(09-05-2023, 03:24 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-05-2023, 01:47 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote: Still not sure how to post things on here but I hope the post was new but bad teeth has at least one cub confirmed so now 10 cubs in the pride

Not sure what you are trying to post, and I know it's been posted before, but this link should help by providing some tutorials. We also invite everyone to PM any of the Mods, if you have questions, or need any sort of help with things on the site.

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Thank you it’s a instagram post of bad teeth and her new cub

As has been mentioned before, depending on the type of Instagram post, most can be shared by formatting your link like this, [insta]---insert your link here---[/insta]. I, also, am unaware of a lioness called bad teeth from the Mangheni pride, so I am not sure who that is. Reply

[Tylermartin!]

(09-05-2023, 08:17 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-05-2023, 06:13 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote:

(09-05-2023, 03:24 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(09-05-2023, 01:47 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote: Still not sure how to post things on here but I hope the post was new but bad teeth has at least one cub confirmed so now 10 cubs in the pride

Not sure what you are trying to post, and I know it's been posted before, but this link should help by providing some tutorials. We also invite everyone to PM any of the Mods, if you have questions, or need any sort of help with things on the site.

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Thank you it’s a instagram post of bad teeth and her new cub

As has been mentioned before, depending on the type of Instagram post, most can be shared by formatting your link like this, [insta]---insert your link here---[/insta]. I, also, am unaware of a lioness called bad teeth from the Mangheni pride, so I am not sure who that is.

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[BigLion39]

(09-02-2023, 07:53 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: But it’s still I inbreeding Yes or no and how many cubs are in the mbiri Pride?

Yes still inbreeding. I'm not so sure how we can get around this with lions as the population has become so small the gene pool is no longer diverse enough. And that goes for all lions in the wild. Hopefully it pans out and more of the good genes pass on and the bad genes don't but its basically all we have nowadays. Reply

[criollo2mil]

1/2 of the Mhangeni Matriarchs w the newest cub of the Pride.

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[Zigzag]

Mhangeni females from the left to right Big boy's sister, Tinya & limping, the rest are their 9 cubs today.

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[Mapokser]

@criollo2mil only 1 cub, the other one died according to the guide.

Poor lioness always lose her cubs. Reply

[BA0701]

(09-06-2023, 12:21 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @criollo2mil only 1 cub, the other one died according to the guide.

Poor lioness always lose her cubs.

Speculation on the reasons they lost so many cubs, was that it was because of the pride being semi-nomadic and constantly on the move, poor babies couldn't keep up. So, now that they are much more static, hopefully they can raise these cubs to adulthood. Reply

[Duco Ndona]

That theory was probably flawed to begin with otherwise there would be a lot more death cubs by now. And not just with that particular pride.
In fact, I always had my doubts about the whole Mhangeni being terrible mothers thing. Its more due to bad luck and a string of weak and unreliable pridemales. Reply

[BA0701]

(09-06-2023, 03:24 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: That theory was probably flawed to begin with otherwise there would be a lot more death cubs by now. And not just with that particular pride.
In fact, I always had my doubts about the whole Mhangeni being terrible mothers thing. Its more due to bad luck and a string of weak and unreliable pridemales.

I believe during the particular time we are discussing, the deaths of all of OM's cubs, they had no pride male. Reply

[Mwk85]

3/5 lionesses and cubs on a buffalo carcass. Savanna has/had the lead up to them coming to the carcass posted on their story feed.

Edit: The youngest cub was brought to the kill as well. No surprise, it was getting bullied by at least one of the older cubs.

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