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(11-13-2019, 12:21 PM)Ashutosh Wrote: Great find @Roflcopters. I seem to recall another case of a tiger and rhino found dead alongside, but, in that instance there was scat discovered of a third tiger. The dead tiger was a sub-adult and the theory went that a big male had killed a female rhino, and this subadult was very much tucking into the kill when the big male discovered it doing so and killed it. Do you happen to know anything about that incident?
Would actually love to see some footage of how a 250 kilo tiger brings down a 1700 kilo female rhino. Would be fascinating.
Something to wonder indeed.
Note that in the first case it was a clear hamstringing, with visible claw gashes on both hind legs & torn up hindquarters...
(11-12-2019, 11:31 AM)Roflcopter Wrote:
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...but in the second set of photos the tiger is eating from the rhino's shoulder-blades & neck, instead of the rump where they usualy start. Go figure.
(11-13-2019, 01:32 AM)Roflcopters Wrote:
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That 600 kg rhino was obviously a calf. What comes to that adult female it´s interesting that there were 3-4 tigers hunting it, I think that there is another case also from past with 4 tigers attacking an adult rhino. Have some tigers learned, that rhino is too tough opponent to attack alone, so occasionally hunting like lions? Quite interesting to find information for this kind of situations. Also that male rhino and tiger found dead close to each others would be interesting to find more information. I didn´t see any injuries in photos when looking at rhino. Tiger had obvious big wounds, but was rhino killed by wounds or heart attack etc. if old male. It would make sense, that tiger would attack if noticing, that unhealthy or injured rhino already because so dangerous animal to attack.
It´s a pity, that usually very little information when cases like these.
600kg is no where near a calf, possibly a sub adult but still a huge beast.
They did conduct post mortem on the male Rhino and concluded it was due to Interspecific fighting, the Rhino also does appear to have blood dripping from it's hind section as well but it's hard to see from the single shot.
"After thorough observation by Research Officer, Range Officer, Forest Veterinery Officer, Field Director, Deputy Field Director, Vets from CWRC, Honorary Wl Warden in presence of NTCA representatives, staff, media persons and after thorough Post Mortem, it was concluded that cause of death of two flagship species is 'interspecific fight', which is perfactly natural."
The likely hood of it being a heart attack yet still being able to fight and kill a large male tiger simultaneously isn't likely.
If I don´t remember all wrong, adult females are around 1 600 kg and males 2100 kg, so a 600 kg rhino is hardly sub adult, calf is right term as far as I understand, what comes to these animals.
And what comes to that case with dead rhino and tiger, I didn´t see any wounds there in those photos. Also killing a tiger and then having some kind of seizure wouldn´t surprise me at all. I remember reading about one case with old rhino, which had heart attack because of tiger attacking it. A lot of stress tends to cause such things for mammals, especially if old or bad health. I would call that too perfectly normal interspecific fight, because predators often target to individuals, which show signs of weakness. As I said, it´s pity that so little information about cases like this one. I don´t see any blood in those photos what comes to case with dead rhino and tiger, when I look at that rhino so it makes me wonder, that did it die to injuries or seizure caused by stress and seizure when fighting with that tiger.
We can all speculate naturally, but maybe someone finds more information from officials? Very interesting incident.
Calves are considered very young- newborns, considering a rhino calf weighs around 80-140lbs when born, 600kg would surely be a sub adult.
Also, I'm sure the 600kg was an estimate since I doubt they weighed it, but you can clearly see the Rhino is large compared to the people and since he specifically calls it an Adult, I doubt Calf is the correct term.
In regards to a heart attack you're speaking of, that would still occur during the attack it self, but since that wasn't mentioned infighting was, again that seems like a stretch.
If you look on the hind leg portion you can also see what looks to possibly be blood dripping as well as dark blotches towards the hamstring section as well.
Ok, sub adult for you and calf for me. Or maybe juvenile is right word then. I mean when adult female would be about 2,5-3 times heavier and adult male about 4 times heavier, sub adult sounds stretch too far for me. Or would you consider 50-60 kg male tiger as subadult maybe? When talking about greater one-horned rhino, 600 kg means a little child, no matter what word is used.
And what comes to that other case, I said already what I had in my mind :)
Calf is between the age of newborn-1 year old for Bovines and similar herbivores "a young bovine animal, especially a domestic cow or bull in its first year."
Comparing to a Carnivore isn't correct since their lifespan is shorter and they grow much faster. Although still a Tiger over the age of 1 would still be considered a Sub Adult by most.
Here is a Rhino Calf for comparison
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As you can clearly see, this Rhino was definitely large, it's quoted as an adult but maybe not quite full grown but still a big creature.
You are now mixing adult female to that 600 kg juvenile in other posting. That adult female is good sized and it was attacked by 3-4 tigers.
When I talk about 600 kg "child" it´s mentioned in another posting. Here have been now 3 different cases, adult female rhino, adult male rhino and then third one (estimated) is that 600 kg, which can be called whatever anyone wants, but it´s not even close to adult size. Was that youngster 600 kg or +- 100 kg, it´s clear that when estimated so small, it haven´t been even closely to adult size.
Ok, that is talking about a "600kg carcass" which has already been significantly eaten could of been much more when intact and regardless, 600kg is far too heavy for a calf, you're talking about animal the size of a cape buffalo.
Predation of Adult Rhino By Kaziranga Tigers: WII Expert Rabin Sharma’s Documentation
