Orcas killing fully grown adult Great White Sharks

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@Rishi 

Quote:That'd be great. Please present said evidence (not this thread)... but until then, hold the claims.

Ok, you tell me when to post the evidence I have, and I'll do it.

@Shadow 

Quote:As said, you're making controversial claims and trying to make them look like not controversial. In that you aren´t successful. That should be clear now. 

And did you notice what you wrote... "Orca ambushed it"... well, isn´t that the case really there, orcas can hunt in groups with multiple strategies depending of prey. Then as you said, it can use ambush and take down for instance a great white shark alone. Impressive to see how intelligent predator orca is. When there is no pod nearby, it takes a kill alone. 

A lone Great white can easily do the same thing and ambush and kill a lone Orca. (Especially using that devastating breach technique) - Even Rishi agreed with that.

Quote:When you claim, that this specific great white shark was juvenile and then you say, that you have seen it in documentary. Put your cards on the table then, in which documentary? I have seen several articles about that case and not a single one said anything about juvenile great white shark. Male sharks are even as adults 3-4 meters long, that´s it. Estimation about 3 meters means, that it could have been a bit more or less. If less, then maybe juvenile, but if at least 3 meters or more, it is the size of an adult male.

I will find those reports where it stated that the shark was a juvenile. In some reports, it even states the shark was only 9 ft. When I find them, I'll definitely post it. Just wait.

Quote:What comes to tigers and bears, I am not interested, I´m 100% sure, that I have seen all what you are referring in your claims. And @Rishi already said about that. But what comes to these animals (orca and great white shark), when you make a claim, that some specific animal was juvenile, then prove it. If you are only upset, because it wasn´t a big female shark, that is another thing. If you can´t prove it, then at least dig up that marine biologist, who thinks, that it was juvenile.

How are you "100% sure" you've seen all my tiger killing bear data?? Now thats a big claim. You don't know me, and you don't know the research I've done on that topic, so how do you know then? Like I said before, its a FACT that tigers do hunt and kill larger Brown bears, their known for this. I have the accounts. I will certainly post it soon.

And please, stop saying its just my "claims"...I'm not claiming anything about tigers vs bears. Everything I said is an established fact, period. I can easily prove it, and will.

Quote:You even have contradiction in your own claims. First orcas hunt only in pods, then when one orca kills a shark alone, you try to undermine it by saying, that it was ambush attack :) Do you notice now? So we have to count out all evidence about orcas hunting alone, because those cases are unfair in some way?

Again you totally missed my point. The account you posted of the adult Orca killing that small shark, was not a predation. The Orca attacked that shark out of PROTECTION for its baby. A predation is a totally different scenario. I never once claimed that a lone Orca would never attack a Great white in order to protect its young. When did I ever say that or even imply that?...

My point from the very beginning was that a lone Orca would never go out of its way to actually predate an adult Great white for FOOD consumption. Like how tigers will deliberately hunt, kill and eat adult Brown bears. There's a difference. Again, that was not a predation, but an attack to protect her young from the shark.

So I never contradicted myself. You just misunderstood what I said.

@chaos

Quote:The pictures you posted are a bit misleading. Orcas are much larger, hence if they were scaled to accurate proportions, the bite radius would appear much more even

No, an Orca cannot gape its jaws as much as a Great whites, fact. A Great whites jaws literally jumps out of its mouth, allowing it to take much bigger bites. When it comes to teeth, there's absolutely NO COMPARISON whatsoever. The white shark has the most fearsome and deadliest teeth than any other animal on this planet. You simply can never compare a Cetacean's teeth to a predatory shark. The Orca is completely outclassed by the shark in this regard.

Quote:They have learned how to approach and overcome issues in tackling large and/or dangerous prey. 

Yeah, they have learned to overcome issues in tackling large, dangerous prey using the strength in numbers! - Huge difference. A white shark single-handedly hunts and kills gigantic Bull elephant seals, (2 - 3 tonnes) small whales, Dolphins, Porpoises etc....and have even been documented to hunt and kill giant Squid at around 4,000 ft depth. Now please tell me, how on earth does a lone Orca even compare to the predatory prowess of the white shark??

Whats the largest prey a lone Orca takes on? - And then compare it to the Great whites killing prowess, and you'll truly see who's way more impressive. - The Orca is completely outclassed by the shark in this regard too.

Quote:I firmly stand by my opinion that Orcas are clearly the oceans apex predator.

I never have and never will deny the fact that the Orca is the oceans apex predator. My argument is to why they are, and how they dominate, and thats because they travel and hunt in pods. This is a massive advantage for them. Even marine biologists have stated this. Can you imagine if Great white sharks also hunted in packs? That would be insane. Reply