Canids and Hyaenids Interactions

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(02-10-2015, 11:18 PM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: Well I can search for the wolf being flipped by the cougar! I'm on my phone and the network sucks! 

Hyenas are way more tollorant towards other carnivores Than leopards! And they don't look at leopards as a pest they make god use of them making the kills which they can steal! And hyenas are very inteligent animals! Okei I've seen lone leopards beeing treed by a single hyena aswell! 

Do not underestimate mothers, they will fight for their young! I've seen a clipp in norway where a moose did the same against some wolves! Here is the clipp two hyenas brings him down https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8OCSE42pTi8 

I look at a solo hyenas as a much more impressive animal Than a lone wolf! So i would be as safe as possible on that a spotted hyena would beat a wolf! 

 

Percfect example...
The buffalo is old and lame. It can't even run because of its badly injured leg. And even so, the entire clan still needs to get involved to make the kill. No hyenna is coming close to taking on a healthy Buffalo, which is proven by the fact that multiples of 10 cant even take on a cow. Its just not going to happen unless the buffalo is old or injured then its completely fair game. If the animal can't escape or defend it self, its an easy meal.

Im sorry, but these guys look every bit as large as any hyenna I have seen

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Weights of the largest Old World wolf subspecies from Mammals of the Soviet Union. Apparently, Eurasian wolves are larger than tundra wolves.

Tundra Wolf: A wolf of large size. Body length of males (23) 118—137 cm, tail
length 42—52; average weight 40 kg, maximum 49 (1 specimen of 55,
with the stomach contents). Body length of female wolves (23) is 112—
136 cm, tail length 41-49 cm, average weight 36.6 kg, maximum 41 kg.

Eurasian Wolf: It is usually considered that the weight of adult males is 40-45 kg,
a yearling, about 35 kg and juveniles about 25 kg. Maximum weight of
the Middle Russian wolf is considered to be from 69 to 80 kg (see above).
138 Dimensions of animals from separate regions are as follows: weight
of adult wolves of northern part of Ryazansk district (south of
Meshchera—^a little south of the latitude of the Pra river) varies from
32 to 55 kg (based on 173 individuals); weight of the largest male was
56.3 kg (Kozlov, 1955). Of 65 wolves killed in the region of Mordovsk preserve (Temnikov),
only one old male with worn teeth weighed 49 kg. The remaining adult
males had weights from 40 to 45 kg; adult females, from 30 to 35 and
only one female weighed 38 kg (Kozhevnikov, 1953).
The wolves of Voronezh district, i.e. the forest steppe zone, apparently
are somewhat different from Moscow wolves of the true forest
zone and have the following measurements and weight. Average body
length, based on 154 animals killed in the region of Voronezh preserve,
was 125 cm in males and 122 cm in females. The majority of animals,
both old as well as yearlings, had a weight from 30 to 40 kg. Many
juvenile wolves reached a weight of 23 kg by the end of November.
Weight of adult (full-grown) males (48) averaged 40.0 kg; weight of
adult (full-grown) females (31) was 31-42.1 kg, averaging 36.0 kg.
Weight of yearling male wolves (up to two years old) (8) was 26.6-
34.0 kg, averaging 32.0; weight of yearling female wolves (24) was
23.0-32.8 kg, averaging 29.0 kg (weight without stomach contents;
Merts, 1953).
http://archive.org/stream/mammalsofsov21...2/mode/2up
So the largest subspecies are

Mac kenzie, Yukon, Eurasian and Northern Rocky Mountain volwes having 45 kg average...Is it the average weight for males or both sexes? The largest record is Eurasian shot in Serbia in Carpathian range (86 kg.), Siberian (80 +) Yukon (79 kg), Mc Kenzie (70) and Rocky mountains 65 kg. For Arctic we have a record of 60 kg. For Tundra this is 52 kg.
http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9863296/1/


Compared to Hyena

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MammalDiet:OmnivoreAverage life span in the wild:Up to 25 yearsSize:Head and body, 34 to 59 in (86 to 150 cm); tail, 10 to 14 in (25 to 36 cm)Weight:110 to 190 lbs (50 to 86 kg)Group name:ClanSize relative to a 6-ft (2-m) man:

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The spotted hyena is the largest extant member of the Hyaenidae.[sup][46][/sup] Adults measure 95–165.8 cm (37.4–65.3 in) in body length, and have a shoulder height of 70–91.5 cm (27.6–36.0 in).[sup][27][/sup] Adult male spotted hyenas in the Serengeti weigh 40.5—55.0 kg (89—121 lb), while females weigh 44.5—63.9 kg (98—141 lb). Spotted hyenas in Zambia tend to be heavier, with males weighing on average 67.6 kg (149 lb), and females 69.2 kg (153 lb).[sup][36][/sup] Exceptionally large weights of 81.7 kg (180 lb)[sup][9][/sup] and 90 kg (200 lb)[sup][27][/sup] are known. It has been estimated that adult members of the now extinct Eurasian populations weighed 102 kg (225 lbs).[sup][47][/sup]




Then from Carnivoria

Grey Wolf
Shoulder height: 80-85 cm (32-34 in)
Body length: 105-160 cm (41-63 in)
Weight: 25-79 kg (55-175 lb)
General information: The grey wolf is the largest extant wild member of the Canidae family, and occurs primarily in wilderness and remote areas, especially in Canada, Alaska and northern USA, Europe, Asia and north Africa. The grey wolf is a social predator that lives in nuclear families consisting of a mated pair, its offspring and, occasionally, adopted immature wolves. It primarily feeds on ungulates, which it hunts by wearing them down in short chases. Other prey include rodents, ground nesting birds, reptiles and livestock. Grey wolves are typically apex predators throughout their range, with only humans and tigers posing significant threats to them. Genetic studies reaffirm that the grey wolf is the ancestor of the domestic dog. A number of other Canis lupus subspecies have been identified, though the actual number of subspecies is still open to discussion.


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Spotted Hyena
Shoulder height: 70-91 cm (28-36 in)
Body length: 95-166 cm (38-65 in)
Weight: 40.5-81.7 kg (89-180 lb)
General information: The spotted hyena is a species of hyena native to Sub-Saharan Africa. It is the largest member of the Hyaenidae, and is the most social of the Carnivora in that it has the largest group sizes and most complex social behaviours. Its social organisation is unlike that of any other Carnivore, bearing closer resemblance to that of cercopithecine primates (baboons and macaques) with respect to group-size, hierarchical structure, and frequency of social interaction among both kin and unrelated group-mates. Spotted hyena society is matriarchal; females are larger than males, and dominate them. The spotted hyena is a highly successful animal, being the most common large carnivore in Africa. Its success is due in part to its adaptability and opportunism; it is both an efficient hunter and a scavenger, with the capacity to eat and digest skin, bone and other animal waste.

http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9329673/2/


As you can see, both are extremely close in size, weight and morphology. So obviously there would not be a clear cut advantage to either in the strength department and Wolf shown above is actually reported as the world record wolf of over 220lbs so the max could actually go up for the wolf.
But this really shows that both are extremely close, even closer than I realized.



I've said my piece and shown my evidence, feel free to respond but lets not derail this thread any more after that.
I would like you to find the alleged Puma ragdolling a wolf like you claim since it fits in to this thread, thanks.
 
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