Persian Leopard (Panthera pardus saxicolor)

[Pckts]

(05-15-2019, 01:45 AM)Styx38 Wrote:

(05-14-2019, 10:53 PM)Pckts Wrote: This image is him after not eating for 4 days, he's obviously an obese cat.

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Obviously since they give no measurements, it's no recognized in any scientific journal or Guinness, nor is there a record of the capture, location or images, it's anything but verified. 

But in regards to largest Indian Leopards

"The largest individual appears to have been a male man-eater that was shot in the Dhadhol area of Bilaspur district, Himachal Pradesh, in 2016. It reportedly measured 8 ft 7 in (262 cm) from head to tail, 34 in (86 cm) at the shoulder, and weighed 71 kg (157 lb).[14][15]"


and you see here that even these Indian's were larger than their Sri Lankan Cousins

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Even while living in Tiger dominated habitats. 


Just in case you were wondering how Leopards do with in Lion Territory, let's look at one of the  arguably Largest Leopard alive today, the Anderson male. 
While the Anderson male was resident in the north-central reaches of the Sabi Sands at a time when the Camp Pan male was holding territory in SE Londolozi, the two males were separated by not only distance but also by the buffer of other big males in between. The only time they could possibly have met up was when the Camp Pan male finally got pushed out of his territory by a combination of the Piva and Inyathini males and became nomadic. Having said this, once evicted the Camp Pan male did seem to confine most of his movements to the areas bordering the Sand River, skulking through the reedbeds and trying to remain as unobtrusive as possible. I doubt whether he moved far enough north that he would have encountered the Anderson male.

"While the Anderson male was resident in the north-central reaches of the Sabi Sands at a time when the Camp Pan male was holding territory in SE Londolozi, the two males were separated by not only distance but also by the buffer of other big males in between. The only time they could possibly have met up was when the Camp Pan male finally got pushed out of his territory by a combination of the Piva and Inyathini males and became nomadic. Having said this, once evicted the Camp Pan male did seem to confine most of his movements to the areas bordering the Sand River, skulking through the reedbeds and trying to remain as unobtrusive as possible. I doubt whether he moved far enough north that he would have encountered the Anderson male."

proof of their power

"The Camp Pan male was a big leopard. Fact. He was immensely powerful, and I personally saw him with the hoisted carcasses of kudus, young wildebeest and juvenile zebras. Not small animals to carry up into the trees. His tracks were what really set him apart, however, and I doubt I will ever again see a leopard with feet that big. His “unmistakeable” tracks were, in fact, mistaken for those of a lioness on more than one occasion."

"first things the Anderson male did when establishing territory on Londolozi was to hoist the carcass of a young giraffe. Yes, a giraffe! Giraffe foals are born weighing around 100kg, and I’m here to tell you that the Anderson male had not eaten much of the kill before carrying it into the branches of a long-tailed cassia. It was a truly outrageous display of strength."
https://blog.londolozi.com/2015/09/23/are-these-the-biggest-leopards-youve-ever-seen/

As you can see, with a huge healthy lion population, not only do we still see arguably the largest Leopards in Africa, we also see a large healthy population of Male Leopards as well. On top of that, you see these big males not only killing 100kg animals but hoisting them into trees if need be and that's not including the feeding they do on the ones that are too large to hoist. 



Last is this...
"As you mentioned that prey size is correlated with carnivore size, there will be more Leopards above 70 or 80 kg in a place where there are no carnivores than in the plains of Africa or the Tiger dominated jungles of India and Southeast Asia, due to a higher frequency of killing and getting all its nutrition from larger prey"

Again, Lion or Tiger dominated Reserves are also Ungulate dominated reserves, Leopards in C. Africa, S. Africa, E. Africa and GIR are all huge healthy cats, Leopards in Kabini, Kanha, Pench, Panna or Umred are all huge as well, showing once again that even in Lion or Tiger dominated areas, Leopards thrive and produce large cats.

Wouldn't they have confirmed with the zoo he was caught in?

Anyway, the Leopard in Bilaspur was the longest, not the heaviest.

Gir leopards in lion infested territories don't touch adult sambar either:

 

Quote:It contrasted findings of the study reported avoidance of sambar instead of constituting the largest proportion of the diet of leopard [1]. Although scat analysis does not provide information on age and sex of prey consumed but can be suspected of yearling and faun age in case of large-sized prey consumed by leopards (Pers. Obs.).High consumption of langur occurred cause of arboreality and crypticity of leopards where they can consume its food without fear of coexisting competitor [5]. Although, it was reported as an alternative preferable prey of leopards in case of prey scarcity [51] which contrasted to our findings in presence of abundant potential prey species. Selection of peafowl or other supplementary small to smaller prey taxa seems reasonable for energy gain per hunting efforts, maximize the resource leopard has for survival when lost immediate hunting to lion [6]. 

https://www.idosi.org/wjz/wjz12(4)17/1.pdf


Also, it seems Persian Leopards may actually beat the Kruger Leopards in size, meaning there may be either a higher base average or at least more larger individuals.

Also, why are you boasting about leopards lifting prey up tree? Isn't that an innate ability for a leopard to lift kills up trees, but some Leopards do it more due to more competition?

Aren't Sambar way above 100 kg (as in close to the size of certain elk subspecies)? Lovari mentioned the 100 kg thing, but my point was large ungulates that Leopards usually avoid due to other competition, which actually made the Indian researchers doubt their capabilities in some of the studies I posted.

No offence but its sounds like you are trying to bolster your favorite subspecies.

Where did you get that Leopards dont hunt Sambar in the GIR?

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Where did I say persians arent the largest sub species?
The fact is that Leopards from C/S/E Africa all have cats who've scored higher and weighed equal, hence they grow as large just not as often.



"Bolster my favorite subspecies"
And which sub species would that be exactly?

Lastly, the weight of the prey lifting is showing you 2 things, 1 that the average prey weight is simply a mean number but offers nothing in terms of individual cats, larger cats take larger prey and no place on earth has more small to mid sized ungulates than Africa.
2nd is the fact that large leopards thrive in high lion density and benefit from the massive amount of prey, even juvenile prey offer larger weights than the averages taken anywhere else. Reply