There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
(01-02-2019, 03:58 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: "But what comes to size of the brains, that is far from clear thing. Alone it, that the birds manage to do many quite complex tests among many other things proves that, that size is not as important as many other things. There is a lot of information and studies about it."
Hm, as far as i know there is a moderate correlation between brain size and intelligence (as least if you compare related species). The influence of brain size should not be overestimated, but also not underestimated.
"What comes to tigers and lions in comparison, who cares if it would happen to be so, that lions would happen to be smarter in some way? Would that make tigers suddenly losers for someone? And if another way, so what? I am always amused in a way, if I notice emotional approach to some matter and then a lot of effort to undermine something just because kind of terrified, that we might get a result, which would be "wrong".
Well, most of us are somewhat biased and we take this theme as a sort of duel between our favourite animals (you too). And its therefore quite understandable that we have tendencies to highlight what is in our favor and to discard the opposite. And this applies to both sides (you too). And for example it is ok to appreciate the study, but it is also legitimate to reject it. And I think its not fair to indicate that this critique is something emotional, motivated by some kind of fear. I suggest not to implant our own thoughts into the minds of other people :-)
"So main focus should be in tolerance and avoiding emotional debates." vs. "And I don´t mind, that you find it amusing, I find this whole conversation in same way :)"
Thank you for your exemplary approach to communication :-)
Of course brain size isn´t irrelevant. But it is not only thing there and as you say, it can´t be underestimated or overestimated.
And what comes to biased, I really couldn´t care less what results we get. For me it is indifferent which big cat or animal is most intelligent or is any. But it is true, that sometimes I have fun too in conversations like this, no denying in that. Tigers for instance are one of my favorite animals by far. But if I see something, which looks like to be biased, of course I ask questions, if something can be proved or is it just some myth which can´t be confirmed in any reasonable way. In this conversation we are in situation, where not too much can be proven to one direction or another, of course it is ok to like or dislike something, no problem :)
I mentioned emotional, because that happens too even in this forum time to time.
And you are welcome what comes to exemplary approach to communication, I just followed the lead
Anyway I hope, that people put here sources for information and we all can see original texts.
Well, thats your statement :-). And everybody is free to judge whether or not you use some manipulation in your posts :-)
Of course, that is why it is important to put all sources for everyone to see. I have seen opinions like "tigers are 16% more intelligent than lions, because their brain volume is 16% bigger It is always funny to see how people try to make complicated matters to look like simple As said before, intelligence of animals is interesting thing and it is quite difficult to say too much before there is more research.
" I have seen opinions like "tigers are 16% more intelligent than lions, because their brain volume is 16% bigger"
Source? :-)
BTW I´m afraid you didnt understand the real meaning of my post (70), but that doesnt matter...
Source was a distant memory from many threads, which have given me good laughs :) And I am happy, that it is just distance memory
And we are all sometimes afraid, but it is not so dangerous Just part of life.
"that is why it is important to put all sources for everyone to see" vs. "Source was a distant memory from many threads"
Yes, of course... :-)
Feel free to serch from youtube threads for instance :) There tiger fanboys tell more fairy tales than anyone can remember, or should remember. Lion fanboys doing the same
sorry, but this is absolutely uninteresting
Agreed
Fine :-) and again: everybody is free to asses whether or not you fabulated those "opinios" for manipulative purposes :-)
Intelligence of the big cats...
It is always funny to see how people try to make complicated matters to look like simple