Talamati/Msutlu Pride

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(03-05-2025, 11:49 PM)RookiePundit Wrote:

(03-04-2025, 07:19 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Yes remember they lost 3 adult females still have no idea what happened to them and one of those females had 5 sons

As for Gijimas, they entered the scene out of nowhere and while picking sides is a flawed approach they for sure didn't make many fans by mabushing Ubuso and being subsequently routed - although this head on approach without long mustering of confidence to do something was quite refreshing on its own. Since then though what's not to like: they took over the Southern female tolerating her sub adults daughters enabling the Southern pride to thrive, got lucky with vacant prides and Msuthlus coming to them, so they didn't have to get messy in takeovers (I'm not even sure they killed any lions, if we don't count shortening Ubuso's life through injuries sustained), they are confident, brave even, as duo they carved their place next to coalition of 4 and subsequently protected it against coaliting of 5-7 (with their own setbacks, but still), seems good to cubs, have a distinctive looks, matured into good looking specimens and as seemingly unrelated to local population sired numerous progeny to enrich the local gen pool. Granted their cubs still have a long way ahead of them, but they seems to be doing their job protecting really well so far. So far it's a story of success. They might have had luck on their side at times, but they did well with the situation presented to them.  The only issue is their prides being bit too close to each other leading to friction and occasional casualties, but that's not really on them. For some there might be a bonus of (some of) their cubs showing their facial features.

I don't necessarily want to extend this convo too much as this is the wrong thread for a lot of these comments, but I highly disagree with the Gijimas being 'lucky' with vacant prides, just like the same was originally said about N.Avocas. Did it help that both Gijimas and N.Avocas come into a situation where prides were being less defended by their resident males than usual, ofc, it was likely even the reason they were targeted in the first place. Well, Gijimas did first come onto the scene when Ndzengas were still down south, but them leaving for Kambula Pride would've been a major reason they ended up taking over as fast as they did. They were a major reason Ndzengas never come back for good too, lets not forget that. These aren't necessarily the most impressive kind of takeovers, but make no mistake they still are takeovers, atleast to me.

They accepted majority of the subadults from both Southern and Styx Prides, which they didn't have to do, and if they didn't it's very likely they would've lost atleast one of them for good, being on the run and all, which Styx Pride initially started doing moving North. Then u have Talamatis who were either with or around multiple coalitions like PCMs, Ndzengas, BDMs, Kambulas or even solo males like S8 and Skorro Orpen to some extent, all trying to takeover and majority of them mating with atleast one female, it's not by luck Gijimas won them over, whether they were impressed by the duo themselves or the area they controlled, idk, but they never linked up with any other males after they were established with Gijimas, showing their commitment to them.

These guys are just simply as @Tr1x24 loves to say 'built different,' and have been the most active lions defending their territory aside from the fact they have zero confirmed kills since becoming dominant and like u said have done really well with their situation. Reply