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(03-04-2025, 07:19 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Yes remember they lost 3 adult females still have no idea what happened to them and one of those females had 5 sons
Yeah, I remember the mention of 5 male cubs litter, but even if they didn't lose their mother so early on, such a litter is not easy to brought up, hard to feed them all as they grow up, especially considering the pride turned out to had so many male cubs on top of that (although these 5 would likely be among the older cubs across all pride litters and benefit from that). The idea of potential coalition of 5 littermates who would could (have better chances to) be well bonded is certainly interesting to entertain specially in an area where we could follow their story quite well through regular updates. But in reality we would mix them up with all the other cubs anyway, maybe ex post some specialist around here could tell who is who based on whisker spots :)
I believe back then the disapperance of the females coincided with floods on the Sand river that iirc playeed a role
As for Gijimas, they entered the scene out of nowhere and while picking sides is a flawed approach they for sure didn't make many fans by mabushing Ubuso and being subsequently routed - although this head on approach without long mustering of confidence to do something was quite refreshing on its own. Since then though what's not to like: they took over the Southern female tolerating her sub adults daughters enabling the Southern pride to thrive, got lucky with vacant prides and Msuthlus coming to them, so they didn't have to get messy in takeovers (I'm not even sure they killed any lions, if we don't count shortening Ubuso's life through injuries sustained), they are confident, brave even, as duo they carved their place next to coalition of 4 and subsequently protected it against coaliting of 5-7 (with their own setbacks, but still), seems good to cubs, have a distinctive looks, matured into good looking specimens and as seemingly unrelated to local population sired numerous progeny to enrich the local gen pool. Granted their cubs still have a long way ahead of them, but they seems to be doing their job protecting really well so far. So far it's a story of success. They might have had luck on their side at times, but they did well with the situation presented to them. The only issue is their prides being bit too close to each other leading to friction and occasional casualties, but that's not really on them. For some there might be a bonus of (some of) their cubs showing their facial features.
Now I realize I'm mostly OT here, so I stop, sorry :)
I’m not sure how much older but those 5 males where but they would’ve been the oldest cubs and depending on if other females gave birth after her she might’ve raised them alone but the gijimas have killed a few Styx subadults but it was most likely the nhkulus