Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage

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(06-26-2022, 11:09 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(06-26-2022, 02:10 PM)RookiePundit Wrote:

(06-26-2022, 01:12 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: My point is more. Lions do not do charity.
Peole are always way to quick in assuming that they just join forces as if its a done deal certain to happen. But its more the exception than the rule.

Aslong DM is territorial. His priority will be defending that position. Even if he has to attack his own sons.
And if he is ousted he needs to be able to hold his own. If he busts a leg in the process. No lion will go easy on him becouse he feels sorry.

The only rule about lions is that every rule has its exceptions.

Sizanani helping his brother, literally feeding him, could be called charity, perhaps.

Nhenha and Nkuhuma went easy on Limper, not because they were sorry ofc, that would be anthropomorphism, but because he was in a condition that he did not present a threat and indeed died some weeks later.

Ofc lions usually join forces by being around each other, getting used to each other and bonding over time. It is not a magical switch, but a lot depends on the approach durign first contacts, that video of the male in Masai Mara deliberately approaches two males they were expected to kill him, in submissive way is certainly a different dynamic than two nomad feeding next to each other on big enough carcass they managed to find, the former is bit closer to one decisive moment back up by improved familiarity and bonding in next weeks than most situations. There is a lot infighting in some coalitions more than others to the extent that at times somebody not knowing the individuals culd hardly tell they are coalition partners.

Just a note regarding that video of Fang and Ololashe in the Mara. That video still stands, imo, as the most incredible evidence of a lion's ability of forethought I have ever seen. Not only did Fang approach the other two in a very submissive way as you mentioned, he intentionally antagonized the much larger of the two in order to elicit a swat and did so while trying not to hurt or injure the Ololashe, you can even see the confusion on Ololashe's face when it happens. It was stunning to see that. I have not heard of the fates of any of the lions involved since, but according to that same guide a few days later, Fang was actually allowed to escape and did so with the female that was the original cause of the ruckus. Shades of Jesse abound. That video, for me, represents proof positive that lions are much more than machines acting on instinct, capable of so much more than we currently understand. The closest I have seen to this behavior was the young male who was attempting to join an existing coalition of other young males and taking quite the beating in doing so.

You're right, I also believe that lions are not only machine move by instinct and like you said the video of Fang and Ololashe is another piece of evidence to support it.
Thank you for clarifying the final outcome of the interaction of Fang and Ololashe because I didn't hear/read the guide that Fang was allowed to live after searching for long hours trying to find what you just clarified.
A question, Fang was the lion that rejected Jesse's intent to form a coalition with him?? Reply